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By DAVE GRAM The Associated Press - Published: November 18, 2009

MONTPELIER — Vermont will face a deficit of at least $88 million in the coming budget cycle when state lawmakers resume their 2009-10 session in January, the Senate's highest-ranking Democrat said Tuesday.

"The economy's fallen apart, our revenues have plummeted and the state of Vermont's facing the toughest fiscal challenges in our history," Senate President Pro Tem Peter Shumlin told more than 50 legislators and a couple dozen lobbyists gathered at the Statehouse for a budget briefing.

Shumlin, of Windham County, said that the estimate does not include an additional $22 million needed for the retirement fund the state maintains for teachers, $9 million in retirement funds for state employees and a projected $30 million for growth in caseloads for state health and other human services programs.

The state's current operating budget is more than $1 billion.

Gov. Jim Douglas' administration is going through its annual budget preparation process now for fiscal 2011, which begins July 1, and preparing a spending plan for Douglas to present to lawmakers in his annual budget address in January, said Jim Reardon, the state's commissioner of finance and management.

But Shumlin, House Speaker Shap Smith and others also noted several steps taken by them and by the Douglas administration to put the state in better shape than many others.

Among them: Douglas created "tiger teams," groups of state employees assigned to find efficiencies within their own agencies, and the Democrats who control the Legislature appointed a new committee on government accountability, which have been scouring government programs in search of efficiencies.

The state's payroll has been reduced from 3,397 employees in April of 2008 to 7,786 now, and more cuts are contemplated. Nonunion employees making more than $60,000 have taken 5 percent pay cuts or equivalent furloughs and have gone without raises for two years.

And as bad as the budget picture is in Vermont, it's far worse in other states. Vermont revenues have slid back to below 2005 levels, according to the Legislature's Joint Fiscal Office. Florida's have declined to 2001 levels, it added, and Michigan hasn't seen revenues as low as it's getting this year since 1988 — 21 years ago.

Tuesday's presentations came less than a week after the state's Emergency Board, made up of legislative budget writers and Douglas, got an updated revenue forecast saying the economic downturn appeared to have bottomed out but that the recovery would be slow and painful.








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CF,

Booming economy? Vermont? hahaahhaHahahahhahahhahahah!!!!!

It was a booming economy, 40 years ago before the libs and unions took over. What a joke.

ML
-- Posted by Jeff Perkins on Sun, Nov 22, 2009, 11:02 am EST

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"Cant imagine why Vermont is broke...i thought the whole pointof gay marriage was bringinhttp://www.scribd.com/doc/14047416/Economic-Impact-of-Allowing-SameSex-Marriage-in-Vermont all the millions in to the state...see yet another lie to get what they want

Extending marriage to same-sex couples will boost Vermont's economy by over $30.6 million over three years, which would generate increases in state and local government tax and fee revenues by $3.3 million and create approximately 700 new jobs......


When will real Vermonters realize teh libs will say and do anything evil and compromise integrity and morals for their own self satisfaction disregarding principles, morals and family traditions.

-- Posted by Are You Kidding? on Thu, Nov 19, 2009, 7:01 pm EST"



Hmmm.... If we were in a booming economy. Like we were a few years ago. Is it possible those numbers are accurate. Yes....

What is wrong then? Why is AYK so mad? Is AYK oblivious to the fact that we are in a recession?

Is it possible that couples are less likely to get married during a recession? I think so...

Is it possible that couples would put off a wedding and wait to see what happens with their jobs? Of course... It would be suicide to spend too much and show up to work tomorrow with no job!

Is it possible that many couples who have SERIOUSLY decided to come and live in Vermont have to put it off for a later date? Yes, 1000's of people are leaving the area looking for work. There is no work here. Until there is a future here. It is conceivable that they will put their dreams on hold!


The final truth.....

Is it possible a few Gay Marriages that have taken place helped our economy.... YES, YES, YES!!!

It scares me to think people are out there that will vote for the "WRONG GUY/GIRL" just because he/she will say "I will take away Gay Marriage".

It's sad but true!
-- Posted by CF Reality on Sun, Nov 22, 2009, 9:05 am EST

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AYK: I think Republicans should be illegal too! They are immoral and not a part of mainstream society. Clearly, the are not part of the majority the country elected a Democratic president and a majority of national and Vermont Democratic Senators and Congressman. Their bad behavior obviously deviates from the norm.
Can we have referendum to outlaw the Republican party? Thanks for the idea!
-- Posted by None None on Sat, Nov 21, 2009, 7:30 pm EST

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My dot is on the third row down, third column to the right. (because I am sure you are all wondering!)

ML
-- Posted by Jeff Perkins on Sat, Nov 21, 2009, 5:09 pm EST

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Yup.

Vote Libertarian!

Related: this is a short, 10 question, survey that helps show where you line up politically. I bet many more are Libertarians than they think.
Check it Out: http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html

ML
-- Posted by Jeff Perkins on Sat, Nov 21, 2009, 5:06 pm EST

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Last Paragraph should have said: I'm NOT saying this definately take place...
-- Posted by Peter Everett on Sat, Nov 21, 2009, 4:31 pm EST

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Just reading through the comments quickly, I sense that people are fed up with the current legislature make up. Blame Republicans, blame Democrats, blame this, blame that. It all comes down to one thing. Those in power are more concerned about their party wishes than the wishes of the people. PLAIN AND SIMPLE, PARTY OVER PEOPLE!!!! Parties endorse SPECIAL INTERESTS. Each party has their own Special Interests and these interests could care less about the people. Here's what we've have to do: Find people who really have no affiliation with a party, but, have NEW ideas about what needs to be done. There are many, look at all who write comments. Then find one who doesn't want to run for office. Make then run. These people don't have a hidden agenda. Get their word that they would serve for no more than 8 years or less. Continue to bring in fresh ideas that aren't party driven. If we want real change it will never, ever happen with the status quo. Look at the present legislators in office, how long they've served. Vote those out with 8 years or more time in office. Have the GUTS to do so. Remember, the longer they serve, the more FAVORS they owe others. Bills are passed because of these favors, not the wishes of the people. Just look back at last Spring's session. Important bills were passed against peoples wishes because FAVORS had to be repaid, and it was all along PARTY LINES!!! The legislature plays the voters as fools. Its time the tables were turned on them. Vote them out. Maybe, just maybe a new group could lessen, not totally resolve some of the fiscal and other issues that will face the state and NATION in the future.
The $88 million deficit will be hard to overcome without real pain. New ideas may work on this in a non partisan way where the needs of the people come first. I'm saying this will definately take place, but, I think we stand a better chance starting with new people in office. Are you like me, willing to vote the present out of office? We'll see next November.
-- Posted by Peter Everett on Sat, Nov 21, 2009, 4:26 pm EST

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"Homo marriage is just a maneuver to validate their bad behaviors that deviate from norms. Pedophiles, homosexuals and most sex offenders has become a dangerous cancer to our society and in fact spread like wildfire and try to use the legal system to paint them as victims, and justify and validate their bad behaviors."

AYK,

I have some questions that I don't really expect you to have answers for, but I feel as though the questions need to be asked anyway. I've actually asked you these questions before, and you've ignored them (that's why I expect little.)

How do you equate homosexuality with pedophilia? You are capable of understanding the difference between consenting adults and an adult victimizing a child, aren't you?

Do you recognize that wanting government intervention in telling people what is moral behavior and what isn't is the LIBERAL viewpoint? A conservative would want LESS government in our lives telling us right from wrong, not more. You're the liberal on this one.

And if we're going to live our lives by God's rules, which God should we ask? Jesus? Yahweh? Jehovah? Jah? Allah? Which religion will get to choose for everyone else what they should believe and what rules they should live by? And do you find the idea of this at all anti-American? Or is that concept just beyond you?

Lastly, what terrible thing happened to you that you are so filled with hatred and vitriol for so many people that you don't know? Where does so much hatred come from?

Like I said, if you feel like answering these great, but I have very low expectations. Thanks.

.
-- Posted by Bennett Shapiro on Sat, Nov 21, 2009, 1:09 pm EST

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AMENDMENT OF THE Vermont CONSTITUTION

Article 72. [Amending constitution]

At the biennial session of the General Assembly of this State which convenes in A.D. 1975, and at the biennial session convening every fourth year thereafter, the Senate by a vote of two-thirds of its members, may propose amendments to this Constitution, with the concurrence of a majority of the members of the House of Representatives with the amendment as proposed by the Senate. A proposed amendment so adopted by the Senate and concurred in by the House of Representatives shall be referred to the next biennial session of the General Assembly; and if at that last session a majority of the members of the Senate and a majority of the House of Representatives concur in the proposed amendment, it shall be the duty of the General Assembly to submit the proposal directly to the voters of the state. Any proposed amendment submitted to the voters of the state in accordance with this section which is approved by a majority of the voters voting thereon shall become part of the Constitution of this State.

Prior to the submission of a proposed amendment to a vote in accordance with this section, public notice of the proposed amendment shall be given by proclamation of the Governor.

The General Assembly shall provide for the manner of voting on amendments proposed under this section, and shall enact legislation to carry the provisions of this section into effect.

In 1975 the State Legislature convened at that time gave us Vermont voters a right to vote in a Referendum as so outlioned above. It is my understanding that all the Vermont voters need to do is to write the Leadeship of the State of Vermont Senate and House and request that "Same Sex marriage " law be put-out to the Vermont voters as so stated above.
-- Posted by None None on Sat, Nov 21, 2009, 9:52 am EST

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We have an $88 million dollar because of governance by the republicans and democrats.

They have had majority power for ever.

Vermonters arent smart enough to catch on that they have become an autocratic power not accountable to the people.
-- Posted by Bill Brueckner on Sat, Nov 21, 2009, 8:11 am EST

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I agree AYK time for the line to be drawn in the sand. Elect State of Vermont legislators that will stand up and give the Power back to the people of Vermont. Send the present legislators back to the funny farm .This three ring circus of legislators in Montpelier is time to go. Bye-bye
-- Posted by None None on Sat, Nov 21, 2009, 7:34 am EST

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NN-
Race vs race, however the combination, its was still always male & female.No one could deny human male-female reproductive nature

No gays have been relegated to the back of the bus,no gays have been refused to drink out of white fountains, there were never any signed banning gays from stores. They have never been denied any civil right black people were..society just said bad behaviors such as homos unions do not need validation. All the laws in the world are not going to make people say its okay and normal.... who likes high taxes and homosexual unions? The libs... Two very disliked legislations by normal americans. We can cut and repeal taxes and repeal homo unions Power of the voter is more powerful and speaks for all.

Homo marriage is just a maneuver to validate their bad behaviors that deviate from norms. Pedophiles, homosexuals and most sex offenders has become a dangerous cancer to our society and in fact spread like wildfire and try to use the legal system to paint them as victims, and justify and validate their bad behaviors.

So as most of mainstream normal America is concerned,we do want to vote away these abnormalities and do not want our kids to think this bad behavior is okay and a few radical judges or legislators can be paid off byh special interests rather than in state voters (where do lobbyists get more rights than us the voters) , then it is necessary to have the rights of individuals (resident registered voters) not some out of state group decide how we want our state modeled.
In 2010 if enough morally bound principle and valued family traditional people are voted in and the weasles voted out, then we can have state legislators put this matter to a vote. Time for the lline in the sand to be drawn, and voters need to their say to no more immoral bad behavior laws, taht if they wre so normal, special laws wouldnt need to be drafted by a handful of fruitloops

Referndum necessary, let the voter decide like Maine and Calif, not special interest groups bribing legislators
-- Posted by Are You Kidding? on Sat, Nov 21, 2009, 6:36 am EST

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" Why can't the Vermont voters speak on this issue of "Same Sex Marriage" using a voter referendum ?"

None None,

I'd like to answer your question if its okay. Its because matters of equal and civil rights shouldn't be up for a vote. Do you think that if a majority of people thought that Christians shouldn't be able to marry Catholics that it would be okay to ban such marriages? How about Christians and Jews? Caucasians and Asians? Caucasians and African-Americans? Blondes and Brunettes? Do you really think that these are decisions that should be decided by popular vote? Or are these much more basic rights that should be considered "unalienable?"

Basic civil rights- especially as they pertain to a small minority of the population- have NO BUSINESS being decided upon by the majority. As Ayn Rand loved to point out- individual rights should never be subject to a public vote, and that the political function of rights is precisely to protect minorities from oppression by majorities.

Here's what John Stuart Mill wrote in his essay, On Liberty, which you can read here:

http://www.serendipity.li/jsmill/jsmill.htm

Does that help make it clear?

.
-- Posted by Bennett Shapiro on Sat, Nov 21, 2009, 12:09 am EST

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Vermont doesnt use the voter referendum because the state legislators will not allow it.

It can be changed to accomodate our wishes, but then they would lose control and power, and since they really dont care what the voter wants , its all about thier control and their personal agenda once they get in.

House of reps and State Senators are no longer about civic duty and representing the people, its become a self serving platform for persona and special interest agenda to shape society and taxation the way they want it....call it social justice, climate justice and economic justice
-- Posted by Are You Kidding? on Fri, Nov 20, 2009, 1:00 pm EST

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Hey None-None 2 this is None-none 1. You seem to be quite verbose and bloviate quite a bit. In that AYK didn't answer my direct question: I wll pose the question to you: Why can't the Vermont voters speak on this issue of "Same Sex Marriage" using a voter referendum ? why do we ,the people of Vermont, need the permission of the State of Vermont legislature in order to vote on this issue? Just a question. I frankly don't give a hoot what or who these people are , I am just interested in Citizens of Vemont's rights to VOTE? Whether you are for or against the issue is irrelevant. Why can't us voters vote on the issue?
-- Posted by None None on Fri, Nov 20, 2009, 11:43 am EST

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AYK ML...now that would be a marriage I would support! A marriage made in irrational, right wing heaven!

AYK: How are you going to feel in Nov. 2010 when the "libs" are voted back in to office and none of the laws are repealed?
Btw, the "whole point" of gay marriage was not to boost VT's economy and no one (besides maybe you) ever said it was; it was to recognize the civil rights of gay couples.
-- Posted by None None on Fri, Nov 20, 2009, 10:59 am EST

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Shumdog Millionare proclaimed during his announcement that he was running for Gov: "I am a fiscal conservative". I laughed so hard I choked on my Ovaltine.

Back to where you came from, Carpetbagger.
-- Posted by None None on Fri, Nov 20, 2009, 10:31 am EST

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NN-

Why is this state in such a mess?

Too many progressive liberals have weasled their way into school boards, local selectboards, jusges, house of representatives and state senators.

They campaign as moderates, but govern as radical leftists re-treads from teh 60's

Vermonsters need to vote for Republicans, then hopefully they will get what they vote for and maybe even just a moderate Republican.
But u cant start on teh left and not expect to end up in the radical left


the Liebrals lie. They will never get voted in with their radical views, so they run as moderates then thumb their nose at the voters when they get in

All I can say is Lets TAKE BACK VERMONT
OUR COUNTRY and remember in November 2010

All laws can be repealed or simply DE-funded. No money appropriated for certain programs.
Thats HOPE and real change back to small govt, low taxes or flat tax, Chirstmas, Morals and God into our lives.
-- Posted by Are You Kidding? on Fri, Nov 20, 2009, 8:35 am EST

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NN-
Property taxes.
Those are relied upon because state knows everyone has to pay them or house is taken by state, in the end they still get their money

State has to realize, income based on consumers can go either way. They want people to quit smoking, up taxes, so people quit. its the states fault for relying on revenue to fund their lib programs

gas tax. they think people drive too much, fine, people change their habits and state gets less tax money

State thinks they can have it all. They want everyones money and change behaviors at the same time
Some behaviors wont be changed and people will get what they want in anyway they want, illegal or not, they will find a way
-- Posted by Are You Kidding? on Fri, Nov 20, 2009, 8:20 am EST

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NN-
Maine and Calif have both voted it out when given a choice by voters rather than out of state interests paying off legislators witha lot of money and with promises of a Utopia of Rainbows, lollipops and pink unicorns. Millions in revenue and hundreds of jobs, sounds like bringing the circus to town.

homosexual marriage is a farce. it represents a complete moral breakdown of our society and open s the doors for immorality and teh anything goes society. Pedophiles galore, teens sending text naked pics and state okays it...... As a civil society we need standards and morals to be used as a guide. The homosexuals have no conscience and no morals which allow them to do the things they do. Whats worse, is in order to validate their twisted logic, they seek validation from courts and schools teachings to tell everyone," see its okay,we conned the courts into believing it" "then they have queer vermont teachings in the burlington schools encouraging this immoral behavior" ,well no its not okay. I dont care how many laws, govt cant force anyone to like that lifestyle or condone it.

Most of America is traditional Christmas celebrating , moral and values instilled family (1 man 1 women and their children as a union and creation of life)...homosexuals simply can not defy the laws of nature and create a baby in their own image. Takes a man and a woman simple. Otherwise they have seek assistance from other homosexuals to donate eggs and sperms. This is one process they can and will never be able to take from traditinal couples man and woman. two eggs and 2 sperms just wont work, thankfully.

The 10 commandments God's Laws are used in legal system
No Lying-perjury
no murder
no stealing
adultery illegal in some states, not enforced, but certainly grounds for who gets the bulk of assets, cheater is a sign of poor character
-- Posted by Are You Kidding? on Fri, Nov 20, 2009, 8:17 am EST

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AYK: In your opinion why do you think the State of Vermont legislators dont do something about putting the "Same Sex Marriage" issue out to the Voters of Vermont? One additional part, Shumlin and his State House gang said last year was there is plenty of tax monies in the Vt. coffers .This year they are talking about more than a $100 million $'s deficit. After the Fed stimulus monies runout in 2010 a deficit of more than 230 million will appear. Where are the offset $'s that are suppose to rescue the Montpelier legiislators deficit spending? You think the real property tax increase last year of ore than 8.9 % was a pain, just wait until the Vt.State Excecutive tax Collectors get through with us real property owners this year and next year. You do realize that they are the penultimate political power base in this state? Shumln's gang legislate and pass laws and we the people who vote them into their positions in Montpelier have "no power" other than voting them in so they can ***** up things in Vermont. We have no referendum powers except when the State of Vermont legislators permit us to vote on an issue they want to let us to feel good about i.e. the outcome? This state is so screwed up it will take a left handed pitched ***** to unwind this mess. A solution to this mess is going to be painful. Vey painful on Property owners. Move over Act 68 we are coming after you with a new Act same play same outcome. Get the propertty owners.
-- Posted by None None on Fri, Nov 20, 2009, 7:29 am EST

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Ah well, you know what they say, "You intelligence is measured by those around you; if you spend your day with idiots you seal you own fait."

I also enjoy, "I am not a complete idiot, some parts are missing"

haha


ML
-- Posted by Jeff Perkins on Thu, Nov 19, 2009, 10:03 pm EST

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Wheres the money wheres the jobs?

No Shumlin, no more programs, no more money. Make some cuts in your lib agenda.
-- Posted by Are You Kidding? on Thu, Nov 19, 2009, 7:04 pm EST

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Cant imagine why Vermont is broke...i thought the whole pointof gay marriage was bringinhttp://www.scribd.com/doc/14047416/Economic-Impact-of-Allowing-SameSex-Marriage-in-Vermont all the millions in to the state...see yet another lie to get what they want

Extending marriage to same-sex couples will boost Vermont's economy by over $30.6 million over three years, which would generate increases in state and local government tax and fee revenues by $3.3 million and create approximately 700 new jobs......


When will real Vermonters realize teh libs will say and do anything evil and compromise integrity and morals for their own self satisfaction disregarding principles, morals and family traditions.
-- Posted by Are You Kidding? on Thu, Nov 19, 2009, 7:01 pm EST

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Max Your rhetoric has brought out the best in the commenters .Here we go again. The silver tongue idiots are at it again. On Dixen, on Bltizen etc were off again. We will now here from the Mealy mouth dragons next ! Oi-vey
-- Posted by None None on Thu, Nov 19, 2009, 5:34 pm EST

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"What are you getting at maxi pad? That your an idiot? " ML

Actually, that should be "That you're an idiot", and yeah, yeah, ya are.
-- Posted by max ambrosini on Thu, Nov 19, 2009, 5:32 pm EST

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What are you getting at maxi pad? That your an idiot?

ML
-- Posted by Jeff Perkins on Thu, Nov 19, 2009, 5:02 pm EST

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2010 Take Vermont Back to its Conservative and traditional values. the progressive have ruined this once beautiful thriving state. Small govt, low taxes, plenty of farms
Libs have tunred it into a welfare progressive pot of Socialist Slop of cow patties.
-- Posted by Are You Kidding? on Thu, Nov 19, 2009, 1:06 am EST

Gee, thanks for that ignorant, ill-informed, factually-challenged, fundamentally-dishonest, teabagger-trash perspective.
-- Posted by max ambrosini on Thu, Nov 19, 2009, 4:59 pm EST

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Gee, ML cites psycho sarah quotes from racist, homophobic gop preachers. There's a shock.
-- Posted by max ambrosini on Thu, Nov 19, 2009, 4:47 pm EST

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"AYK wants to take back Vermont to the 1800s. Mainly because she doesn't want to be the only house on the block without electricity and indoor plumbing.
*cue Deliverance banjo music*"

Let's see if Dubie brings in Palin to campaign. She can really deliver the deliverance vote. Just ask doug hoffman.
-- Posted by max ambrosini on Thu, Nov 19, 2009, 4:39 pm EST

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Seven years of Jim equals joblessness incompetence has done for Vermont what eight years of bushleague incompetence did for the country. Imagine that. Now who coulda seen that comin' from the brain-dead bunch that gave us the Great Depression? Gops are so good with money.
-- Posted by max ambrosini on Thu, Nov 19, 2009, 4:35 pm EST

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One thing that people agree on about Peter Shumlin: YOU CAN'T TRUST A WORD HE SAYS!

Liberals, conservatives, left, right, center, it doesn't matter. I think everyone sees Shumy as the phony that he is.
-- Posted by Olde Man on Thu, Nov 19, 2009, 4:27 pm EST

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Jeff/ML -- What a great quote! So true today! Winston Churchill said, "For a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle." As for Peter Shumlin for governor ... OMG! Why hasn't he done anything to help us during the years he's been in the Legislature?! Last year they were too busy passing the same sex marriage bill instead of putting their efforts into the budget crisis.
-- Posted by Emile Lacasse on Thu, Nov 19, 2009, 2:16 pm EST

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Well said Bill.

"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that, my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

Dr. Adrian Pierce Rogers (September 12, 1931 - November 15, 2005) of Love Worth Finding Ministries, Pastor Emeritus of Bellevue Baptist Church.

ML
-- Posted by Jeff Perkins on Thu, Nov 19, 2009, 1:49 pm EST

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AYK wants to take back Vermont to the 1800s. Mainly because she doesn't want to be the only house on the block without electricity and indoor plumbing.
*cue Deliverance banjo music*
-- Posted by None None on Thu, Nov 19, 2009, 11:41 am EST

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EVER ASK POLITICIANS

WHY DO WE NOT HAVE SUCH A LARGE GROWING DEFICIT!

DIDNT WE ALL PAY OUR TAXES? STATE AND FEDERAL

VOTING R OR D WILL NOT HELP THEY ARE THE ONES THAT GOT US INTO THE PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE

WE WILL ONLY CORRECT OUR PROBLEMS BY RETURNING TO THE SPECIFICS OF THE CONSTITUTIONS.
-- Posted by Bill Brueckner on Thu, Nov 19, 2009, 11:11 am EST

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Jim Rice you won't find a single front line state worker on any of those "tiger teams" so the people who actually know how programs work and where money can be saved are not involved and so nothing will be accomplished. Just like the retirement commission that has zero representation of teachers and state workers. Besides the Gov. has had multiple task forces, blue ribbon commissions, "strategic" initiaves etc. and nothing came of them. It's no secret the Gov. has given cushy high paying government jobs to his friends at twice the rate of union jobs. So who is really responsible for growth of government? Republicans.
-- Posted by Ski Frog on Thu, Nov 19, 2009, 9:47 am EST

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AYK I think it is you who can't grasp the basics. I'm pretty sure you are one of the reasons Walt Amses signed off these blogs for good.
-- Posted by Ski Frog on Thu, Nov 19, 2009, 9:40 am EST

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Ya like communism?
-- Posted by Are You Kidding? on Thu, Nov 19, 2009, 7:39 am EST

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Lets do this, no one takes home a pay check, all monies go direct to the State, the State can hand it back to us via there programs. Tell me why this wouldn't work.
-- Posted by W WGR on Thu, Nov 19, 2009, 7:24 am EST

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I had been wondering why the medicaid and welfare budgets are so high, did anyoneknow that when the schools get parents to sign up for IEP ( the extra teacher helper program) DID anyone know that MEDICAID was billed !!!?????

That now explains teh increase of all these ADHD ADD AHHD oppositional defiance who the heck knows what other crazy diagnosis,

what a scam

So u have a kid that doesnt pay attention, or maybe cant grasp teh basics. or parents at home that dont make them do their homework, or just needs a wallop on the butt...........the school suggests an IEP program,,,,then the school gets kids medical doctors info has them diagnosed and bIll MEDICAID!!!!!!!!!

I was wondering what this big boom of all these ritalin ADD ADHD kids are,,,all for the sake of money more money more money more money.
-- Posted by Are You Kidding? on Thu, Nov 19, 2009, 1:15 am EST

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When the State was laying off some state employees, last spring it hired 25 to work in tax dept to hunt people down for back taxes and close businesses that owed money, which its better tow ork with a business and let them go through the slump and catch up later..
but no.........

state tax dept shuts them down and then dishes out more money for welfare programs.
-- Posted by Are You Kidding? on Thu, Nov 19, 2009, 1:08 am EST

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2010 Take Vermont Back to its Conservative and traditional values. the progressive have ruined this once beautiful thriving state. Small govt, low taxes, plenty of farms
Libs have tunred it into a welfare progressive pot of Socialist Slop of cow patties.
-- Posted by Are You Kidding? on Thu, Nov 19, 2009, 1:06 am EST

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"The state's payroll has been reduced from 3,397 employees in April of 2008 to 7,786 now. . . ."

How is that a DECREASE? Must be a typo.
-- Posted by Christina Colombe on Wed, Nov 18, 2009, 11:21 pm EST

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At least they don't have a picture of him in this article, the sight of him sickens me.
-- Posted by How do I heart thee on Wed, Nov 18, 2009, 11:15 pm EST

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If this dope gets elected Governor, the Vermont State deficit will be $88M X 2.
-- Posted by David Bingham on Wed, Nov 18, 2009, 6:31 pm EST

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Douglas created teams of employees ALREADY IN PLACE to find efficiencies within their own departments. The legislature CREATED A NEW COMITTEE to find efficiencies. That is the fundamental difference between the progressives/democrats and republicans. Use resources already in place or study the situation ad nauseam and deny any responsibility when the problem gets worse. Hey, let's just use some more stimulus money like we did last session, that's a sustainable and responsible approach.
-- Posted by Jim Rice on Wed, Nov 18, 2009, 5:11 pm EST

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Peter Shumlin must think people are stupid.
As Senate leader, he should have been doing the responsible thing in the past legislative session, pushing for budget cuts that would leave the state cofffers in the black.

Now he comes out and warns of an impending budget crisis -he's the problem, not the solution.

Vote republican in 2010 and get rid of the tax and spend crowd.
-- Posted by Buzz Lightyear on Wed, Nov 18, 2009, 8:45 am EST

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Unfortunately a Tax and spend attitude in the Vt legislature isn't working? Act 68 just flamed out and now where do the State Legislature in a Socialist state go for more $'s? Dr Dinosaur namne should have been Tryrannosaurus Rex. Now those Gimme programs are gone. More than likely these gimme programs will get us all for lunch. How about changing the name of the State to the State of Bohica. Bend Over Here It Comes Again, Watch out. Grab your steel helmet , fix your bayonet and dig a foxhole.
-- Posted by None None on Wed, Nov 18, 2009, 8:39 am EST

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