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Swine flu hits Montpelier High School

37 clinics scheduled for people at risk



Administrative Assistant Angela Payette of Plainfield Health Center receives an H1N1 vaccination Monday from nursing staff manager Lauri Snetsinger.

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By SUSAN ALLEN TIMES ARGUS STAFF - Published: November 3, 2009

MONTPELIER – One day after 35 percent of the student body at Montpelier High School stayed home with illnesses that included influenza, the Vermont Health Department is holding a public forum tonight for central Vermont residents to learn more about the H1N1 – or swine flu — virus.

In addition, the Vermont Health Department has scheduled 37 public vaccination clinics outside the school setting for people at high risk of H1N1. A clinic, which is co-sponsored by Central Vermont Home Health and Hospice, is scheduled in Montpelier for Nov. 23 from 4 p.m. to 7 p.m. in the high school auditorium. A Barre clinic is set for Nov. 14 from 9 a.m. to noon at the Municipal Auditorium. The vaccinations are free of charge, the Health Department said.

These clinics are focused on people at particular risk of the disease: Pregnant women, caregivers for children younger than 6 months of age, health care and emergency medical services personnel, people from 6 months through 24 years of age, and people aged 25 through 64 who have health conditions associated with higher risk of medical complications from flu.

Those complications include people with chronic lung disease, such as asthma; chronic heart, kidney or liver disease; diabetes; compromised immune systems due to disease or treatment; and neuromuscular conditions.

To date, the department has been focusing on getting the limited amount of vaccine to schools, where they can target children for vaccination. But some vaccine has also been distributed to other outlets, including physicians' offices and hospitals, according to Nancy Erickson, communications director at the department. And now to public clinics around the state, she added.

"Every week we get to order more vaccine and we get more vaccine," said Erickson. "As we get it in, we're moving it out to all those places."

MHS Principal Peter Evans said Monday that 102 students were missing from school. After calling homes to confirm the absences, Evans said some students reported suffering from strep throat, while the bulk described flu symptoms.

"We're hit," Evans said of the flu outbreak. He said he's not surprised by the numbers because other schools around the area – including U-32 Middle and High School in East Montpelier and Spaulding High School in Barre – have experienced recent spikes in absenteeism in recent weeks.

He said the challenge for teachers at MHS when such a large number of students are missing is to keep education moving forward for those who attend, "knowing when the kids who are out come back we're going to have to back up a little bit."

Twinfield Union School also appears to be suffering an influenza outbreak, said Principal Owen Bradley, who said 70 students were out Monday, compared to just 20 last year at the same time. That is about a sixth of the student body at Twinfield, which has around 430 students.

Meanwhile, the Plainfield Health Center, which had 320 doses of vaccine, Monday held a clinic to vaccinate staff, then patients on a triage basis. Nursing Staff Manager Lauri Snetsinger said the center is nearly out of vaccine, and has no idea when more might be on the way.

In addition, Central Vermont Medical Center officials said Monday that the emergency room has seen a sharp increase in people coming in with suspected swine flu – at this point virtually all influenza is believed to be the H1N1 strain – and the hospital is preparing to open a separate influenza clinic to relieve the pressure on the ER.

Judy Tarr, CEO at CVMC, said the number of patients visiting the emergency room with flu-like symptoms has steadily climbed from 57 on Oct. 1, to 98 on Oct. 23, to 118 on Nov. 1. She said when the number hits 120, the facility's contingency plan will be implemented to offer an off-site clinic for physician assistants to handle the cases.

Serious flu cases will be referred back to the emergency room, Tarr said. In most cases, however, the medical advice for seasonal and H1N1 influenza is the same: Stay home for at least 24 hours after your fever is gone without the use of fever-reducing medicine, cover your mouth and nose when coughing or sneezing, clean your hands often and when you cough or sneeze.

The Health Department reported recently that Vermont has experienced widespread H1N1 influenza in all regions. To date, only one death has been reported from the disease, and that case involved an adult with another serious medical condition, placing the victim in the high-risk group.

Tonight's forum, which is sponsored by the Health Department, the regional home health agencies and the Visiting Nurse Associations, will be conducted by someone from the regional office in Barre. The forum is designed to update the public on vaccination plans, and provide information about the H1N1 and seasonal flu. The forum gets under way at 6 p.m. at the Capital Plaza in Montpelier and is open to the public.








READER COMMENTS


"Did I hit a nerve, Benny? Do I get under your skin, Benny? I love it when you're tripping all over your tongue."

David Bingham,

Please go back and re-read our dialogue here. I think you'll find that not only did you not "get under my skin," but you haven't even pierced the veil of rational thought. You've completely ignored the facts here. Everyone sees it but you. Sad.

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-- Posted by Bennett Shapiro on Sat, Nov 7, 2009, 9:40 am EST

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Facts are facts, Benny.

Whether you want to accept them or not is your problem.

Wow! Three posts within twenty minutes. Did I hit a nerve, Benny? Do I get under your skin, Benny? I love it when you're tripping all over your tongue. Quite amusing stuff.
-- Posted by David Bingham on Sat, Nov 7, 2009, 6:25 am EST

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"What makes matters worse is that when the programs begin to fail, we throw more money at it at the expense of everyone instead of weeding out the fraud which makes all of these failures."

Yes, that sounds reasonable.

We shouldn't throw money at failing programs.

I'm all for weeding out fraud.

But claiming:
Anything the Feds get involved is ALWAYS a major failure!!!

>is out of whack.


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-- Posted by A None on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, 10:43 pm EST

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And David Bingham,

Though I shouldn't point this out (because I'm ruining the laughs for those who have been paying attention,) you didn't mean "You can't defend the facts I pointed out in my post..." You probably meant something like, "You can't REFUTE the facts..." Rest assured, if I felt like you had provided some facts (and not just your deeply compromised and tendentious opinion,) I might have considered to undertake a rebuttal.

Never argue with a fool- onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.

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-- Posted by Bennett Shapiro on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, 10:02 pm EST

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And David Bingham,

The reason I asked what a "sneakerhead" is is because where I come from a sneakerhead is someone who has a large collection of sneakers and knows a lot about sneakers. Y'know- Adidas, Pumas, Nikes, etc.. My younger brother, who sold sneakers for a while, was one. Its the only way I've ever heard the term used. How exactly did you mean it?
-- Posted by Bennett Shapiro on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, 9:50 pm EST

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"HAHHA thats one of the dumbest things you have said yet! Are you trying to say that the left is more pro-military than the right!?"

"You can't defend the facts I pointed out in my post, so you throw out the military and put words in my mouth?"

David Bingham and ML,

You are either unwilling or unable to recognize the facts here. I get the distinct impression (based on things you've written) that you recognize neither sarcasm, nor well reasoned argument. If you don't mind, I have no interest in "defending your facts," which I find to be neither defensible, nor facts. I think you should seriously reconsider posting as regularly as you do, as you reveal yourselves as torturers and abusers of both the English language and of simple logic time and again.

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-- Posted by Bennett Shapiro on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, 9:42 pm EST

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Tough to accept the facts huh, Olde Man?

Next time I go fishing, I'll invite you because I hear you're a master-baiter.
-- Posted by David Bingham on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, 8:53 pm EST

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No wonder you're unemployed Bingo, you're stupid. I thought you were just ****** off. You just don't have it upstairs.


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-- Posted by Olde Man on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, 7:30 pm EST

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Bennett,

HAHAHAHAHHA thats one of the dumbest things you have said yet! Are you trying to say that the left is more pro-military than the right!?!?! HAHAHA, thanks for making our point for us, you don't have a clue.

ML
-- Posted by Jeff Perkins on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, 11:33 am EST

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Benny,

What's the matter, bro? You can't defend the facts I pointed out in my post, so you throw out the military and put words in my mouth?

Thanks for answering the question!
-- Posted by David Bingham on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, 11:22 am EST

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Sneakerhead LMAO sounds like 6th grade!

How did Obama order vaccine a year ago, he wasn't President yet, nor did we know there was an h1n1 coming?

Politicians being corrupt, that we can agree on!
-- Posted by Melissa B. on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, 12:26 am EST

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ML, you're just arguing for the sake of arguing, because I know you aren't blind. Bush was blamed for things the 'decider' decided to do and was wrong about. Not just because people wanted to blame him, but because he and his administration was often to blame.
-- Posted by Melissa B. on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, 12:23 am EST

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"Obammy promised a year ago H1N1 for all. IT'S AN EMERGENCY!!!"

David Bingham,

So do you think that instead of relying on the private drug companies to make the vaccine, that the federal government should have taken it upon themselves to create a new bureaucracy that would have been responsible for the vaccine's production? There's really no pleasing you guys, is there? Try to let private industry handle the vaccine production (as the Obama administration did) and you cry, "Obammy promised us a year ago! Waaaaaahhhhh!" Try to make the government responsible, and you cry, "You can't do that- it's socialism! Waaaaaaahhhhh!" Make up your mind, dude!

On a totally different note, what's a "sneakerhead?"

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-- Posted by Bennett Shapiro on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, 11:09 pm EST

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"Anything the Feds get involved is ALWAYS a major failure!!! "

David Bingham,

I'm sure all of our brave young men and women serving in the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines are really happy to hear you call them, "a major failure!!!" I don't understand where this right-wing hostility of our military comes from...

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-- Posted by Bennett Shapiro on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, 10:56 pm EST

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They don't get it. they say" If it has not worked before, it is because the government has not done/spent enough on whatever it is they are trying to do.... duh."

I would add government schools to your list too.

Good points.

ML
-- Posted by Jeff Perkins on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, 5:24 pm EST

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Benny,

Are you really this DUMB?!

Anything the Feds get involved is ALWAYS a major failure!!!

Let me name a few for you since your arrogance and ignorance has taken over again. Post office, bank, Medicare, Medicaide, Social Security, stimulus, housing market, economy/jobs....Should I continue? What makes matters worse is that when the programs begin to fail, we throw more money at it at the expense of everyone instead of weeding out the fraud which makes all of these failures. But that's only because the politicians don't want you to find out that they are all involved in this fraud to begin with.

Obammy promised a year ago H1N1 for all. IT'S AN EMERGENCY!!! Now people are getting turned away, and all you sneaker-heads want government healthcare? Just another program to promote fraud for all the lifers in Washington.
-- Posted by David Bingham on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, 4:30 pm EST

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I am not blaming Obama. I am simply pointing out the double standard. If Bush was still in office the media would be having a field day. Do you know they have to grow the vac in eggs under heat lamps with little over a 60% success rate? Thats nobodys fault, it just how it is, like most things.

ML
-- Posted by Jeff Perkins on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, 4:20 pm EST

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Baxter,

Excellent point. There's definitely plenty of blame to go around. Including as ML points out, the people who stayed in the city who shouldn't have. It doesn't mean that there still wasn't a MAJOR failure on the part of the feds in the aftermath, and that they should have been prepared for a lot to a FAR greater degree than they were.

ML,

To get back to flu vaccine- AGAIN- the failure of big pharma to produce the amount of vaccine that they promised to by the date they claimed it would be ready by is the Obama administration's fault HOW? The administration was told that there would be 120 million doses available by now, and that's the information they passed on to the public. After the fact, we find out that the numbers that the drug manufacturers provided to HHS were "overly rosy." Unless you want the government to take over the production of medicines itself, I don't see how you can blame this one on the government. If you can't see how the hypocrisy on this one is yours, I just feel sorry for you. Actually, I do anyway. And again, this comparison is inane.

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-- Posted by Bennett Shapiro on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, 4:05 pm EST

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Mr. Shapiro. I think you need to read the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act: Legal Requirements for Federal and State Roles in Declaration of an Emergency or a Major Disaster.
It states that all requests for a declaration by the President that a major disaster exists shall be made by the affected Governor of that state and that Federal assistance is necessary.
In the case of Hurrican Katrina; the Governor of Louisiana (a Democrat) did not make this declaration to President Bush until days after the hurricane so the federal government's hands were tied to come in and provide assistance. It seems the Governor of Louisiana did not want any help from the federal government until she realized she was not equipped to deal with the severity of the situation.
-- Posted by Baxter P. on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, 1:44 pm EST

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yea but,

Katrina was not a suprise, people knew it was on its way for over a week. They had every chance to get out. If you are dumb enough to stay, why should the rest of the country spend billions and hurry hurry hurry to help people who put themselves in their positions? The flu, is not like that.

ML
-- Posted by Jeff Perkins on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, 12:35 pm EST

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ML,

The reason for all of the criticism after Katrina was because of the LITANY of things that the government could have done that it DIDN'T, both in preparation for Katrina and in the aftermath. Like using the in-bound stretches of the final couple of days commercial flights to a city in the path of disaster to bring in military police, electric generators, water distillery machines, food, weapons, ammo, and some other stuff. There are places in New Orleans that could be expected to survive even a Cat 5 hurricane- so the MPs could come in with enough supplies to support themselves for a week and survive the passage of the hurricane. To make this work MPs would need to be mobilizable in that short period of time before the catastrophe is known to be about to happen. They could have brought in armored personnel carriers with lots of supplies in their guts. Figure that APCs can ride out a cat 5 hurricane, especially if parked next to a structure that can survive a cat 5 hurricane. When a city is known to lack the cognitive resources in its government to organize something so basic as the driving of a couple hundred school buses to evacuate the lowest classes then plans must be made to compensate for this. How about having people chosen in advance from surrounding areas to serve as volunteers to come in and drive the buses. Or getting police or MPs to ride shotgun on the evacuations to maintain order on the buses. The military should have had helicopter-liftable electric generators to put onto the roofs of hospitals to take over when the power failed. How about sending in special forces - especially Navy SEALs (who are trained to operate in water environments) in advance of the hurricane and immediately after a hurricance with orders to protect the public from the most dangerous armed gangs. How about pulling all the weapons and ammo out of stores (e.g. Wal-Mart) and carrying the weapons out of the target area before the stores get closed. Or when a state governor is too slow to ask for National Guard from other states then the national government (assuming it is competent) stepping in and ordering lots of regular military in quickly. The federal government should have had hundreds of satellite phones with embedded GPS waiting to be distributed in case of emergency. Hospitals and other key locations should have had reliable communications during and after the disaster. Methods to set up temporary cell towers with perhaps microwave relay towers should be developed so that at least in some limited number of areas some cellular service could be restored rapidly. Airports should have something akin to bomb shelters where airport recovery workers and air traffic controllers and crucial equipment could ride out the hurricance or other disaster. Then an airport could get back on line more rapidly starting immedately after the storm passes. Etc., etc..

The prep on this compared to the NON-prep on Katrina couldn't be more different. The situations as a whole couldn't be more different. The fact that you've lumped them together makes you look like you have a developmental disability. That's not the case, is it? We understand that you REALLY WANT Obama to be as bad a President as George Bush was. And who knows, perhaps the Obama administration may actually do something that puts them in the same sinkhole of history where Bush and Cheney are. But it just hasn't happened yet- as much as that seems to disappoint you.

Why ARE you hoping that America will fail, anyway?
-- Posted by Bennett Shapiro on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, 12:20 pm EST

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Id like to see the numbers behind the illnesses at MHS. How many have actual H1N1? How many have the seasonal flu? How many have the "common" cold? How many stayed home because they were told any illness no matter how acute you should stay home? How many didnt go because of fear of attracting the H1N1 virus. Its easier and more dramatic to put everyone in a sigle group just to scare people about "swine" flu. Thank you Jim for sharing numbers behind the illnesses. Really puts things into prospective. Until 36,000 people die from H1N1 im not going to be atleast bit worried. Its all media hype as usual.
-- Posted by Common Cents on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, 11:52 am EST

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No benett, thats not what I am saying, hypocrite. All I am pointing out is the "government" did all that it was capable of after katrina, just like it is now. The only difference is when it is a republican, they get blamed. When it is a democrat, it is not their fault. Thats it.

ML
-- Posted by Jeff Perkins on Wed, Nov 4, 2009, 9:52 pm EST

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And ML,

Are you saying that you would have preferred the government NOT to use private industry to make the vaccine? That you would have preferred this to be a government program where the government was responsible for the production?

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-- Posted by Bennett Shapiro on Wed, Nov 4, 2009, 8:13 pm EST

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"If bush was president, people would be screaming! Like after Katrina, slow response, not enough resources and so on. Can any one say "Double Standard" or "Hypocrisy"?"

ML,

If people were screaming, they'd be screaming at the pharmaceutical companies that promised to deliver a lot more vaccine than it turned out they could churn out. The reason no one is screaming is because people understand that you can't make more vaccine than you can make using our pharmaceutical companies' current level of technology. Its a tough process and it just takes a certain period of time to complete. First you have to make the "seed" virus (the virus stripped of its infectious parts.) Then you have to alter the virus somewhat genetically to make it safe - this part alone can take weeks. Viruses from the various strains are then sorted and in a process called "assortment" are prepared for injection into the chicken eggs. Then they have to incubate/grow in the eggs for about a month or so, before they are extracted from the eggs, purified, inactivated and turned into vaccine. Each egg can only make one dose of vaccine. The process is really labor intensive and I think pretty much everyone but you understands this.

People also understand that there is nothing the government can do that its not already doing. That the government (in this case, as opposed to Katrina) went to the pharmaceutical companies PLENTY ahead of time and were told by big pharma that there would be 120 million doses available in time for this flu outbreak. Big surprise- big pharma lied. This is what happens sometimes when you rely on private industry to provide for the general welfare and defense. Its part of the price of privatization and of capitalism. I'm willing to bet that England and France with their socialized medicine (where those in charge of getting the vaccine made are responsible directly to the voters and where because of this they are far ahead of us in the use of mammalian cell technology for growing vaccine- which is much faster than the egg system) have plenty of vaccine.

I guess its much more fun for you to blame the Obama administration (as you do for most stuff) than to pay attention to reality.
-- Posted by Bennett Shapiro on Wed, Nov 4, 2009, 8:06 pm EST

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Get your shot erek. Obama is your Daddy.......

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-- Posted by Olde Man on Wed, Nov 4, 2009, 7:32 pm EST

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What is your point?

ML
-- Posted by Jeff Perkins on Wed, Nov 4, 2009, 6:52 pm EST

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Let's keep things in perspective. More than 200,000 people are hospitalized and 36,000 die from SEASONAL FLU related complications each year. Specific groups of people are more at risk, such as, older people, pregnant women, young children, and people who have preexisting health conditions. But, alas logic is wasted on the TA...
-- Posted by Jim Richards on Wed, Nov 4, 2009, 5:24 pm EST

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Think of it in terms of deaths, CDC says 1,000 Americans have lost their lives to swine flu so far this year. That is twice as many deaths, in less than a year, as the Iraq War. If Obama is "trying to protect and save our troops" what is he doing about swine flu killing citizens at more than twice the rate?....

ML
-- Posted by Jeff Perkins on Wed, Nov 4, 2009, 4:40 pm EST

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Did SWINE FLU hit or the regular flu???? Lets clarify and lets not feed into panic. I have seen lots of "regular" flu in the office and around, but not one "Swine Flu" confirmed, geez and people wonder why everyone is ill informed.
-- Posted by Mel on Wed, Nov 4, 2009, 3:24 pm EST

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Well with Captain Obama steering the US Failboat were all in trouble. More and more are realizing Obama is a joke and a disgrace. Also, it is our business what Obama does with his children as far as the vaccine. No one made BO run for president...or did they? There in the public eye period. If he doesnt want his kids to get the H1N1 vaccine that should tell you something.

Obama lies, people die.
-- Posted by derek on Wed, Nov 4, 2009, 2:26 pm EST

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The hypocrisy is ML, that people are screaming. People were whining that the Obama girls didn't have theirs yet.. that Obama wasn't going to have them get it, ya know the blah blah blah that no matter what choice he makes it's WRONG, which wasn't true, and if it was, it's NO ONE'S business what someone elses medical choices are even the Presidents Children. People would have been screaming if he didn't make it an emergency *which I don't think it is anymore than any other flu* or whether he did make it an emergency and the tests are not conclusive what can happen in the future from the vaccine.. it's a no win situation because the only thing people like you can see is red when it comes to him no matter what he does. He could fly to your house and give you the flu shot personally and you would ***** he used money to get there!!!!!
-- Posted by Melissa B. on Wed, Nov 4, 2009, 2:06 pm EST

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Um ML, people are screaming about a slow turn around. The difference is, Obama is not saying, "good work Brownie," while people are drowning. Other than that, it is exactly like Katrina--solid analogy.
-- Posted by Jim Richards on Tue, Nov 3, 2009, 9:23 pm EST

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If bush was president, people would be screaming! Like after Katrina, slow response, not enough resources and so on. Can any one say "Double Standard" or "Hypocrisy"?

ML
-- Posted by Jeff Perkins on Tue, Nov 3, 2009, 6:30 pm EST

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I'm an adult recovering from the flu and I have not been this ill in 12-13 years. I didn't get the vaccine because I didn't think it was a big deal because I only have very mild asthma. And it appears it isn't a big deal if you have normally healthy lungs. I'm finding that people I know who have asthma. like myself, have been hit hard while those who don't have health haven't been very ill.

So if you are like I am, rarely get ill and don't think you need the vaccine, think twice. Thankfully I work for a company that offers generous sick days as I have missed over a week of work.
-- Posted by JT Paroni on Tue, Nov 3, 2009, 2:44 pm EST

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Agree Kneepads None....my SHS student just got over H1N1...wonder where they picked it up? The answer..anywhere. By the time SHS has it's clinic in December, most all will have been exposed to this. Actually they got over it easier than the regular flu. Do not buy the panic state that seems to be raging about this. Yes, there are some that are high risk BUT that is the same every year with the regular flu. I wish parents could show just as much concern about their teenagers all the time...like knowing where they are, where the parties are, are parents home, are they in cars with new drivers, drunk drivers, having unprotected sex, etc. Extend your concern about the swine flu to all areas that they could be at risk...please
-- Posted by keepthechange2012 on Tue, Nov 3, 2009, 10:07 am EST

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I'm not sure HIPA regulations allow staff to reveal that info. They can only speak to you about your child in particular. It's the same way with head lice or any other medical condtion. There are laws that protect those affected. As much as that's not agreed with, it's the way it is.
-- Posted by Amy Glynn on Tue, Nov 3, 2009, 10:03 am EST

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C'mon you two! The swine flu is everywhere - including schools. Why would you think schools would be exempt from the spread. Use common sense or your kids are going to have worse problems growing up than the flu.
-- Posted by Kneepads None on Tue, Nov 3, 2009, 9:51 am EST

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Kittie! I totally hear you as this is going through my child's school as well. Just be sure you are always taking the necessary extra precautions everyday and you will lessen the risks to you and your family! Keep the Sanitizer handy!!! You are going to need it!
-- Posted by Witzma None on Tue, Nov 3, 2009, 9:15 am EST

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I would really like to know why parents are not being made aware that the swine flu is hitting schools in our area. I have grandchildren going to Twinfield and the parents have not been aware that it is going around. They haven't even acknowledged that strep or whopping cough is going around. We all know it is hitting but just knowing that it is our school where our kids are going would be nice to know just to make sure our kids are taking the necessary extra precautions.
-- Posted by Kittie on Tue, Nov 3, 2009, 5:28 am EST

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To prevent the spread of the flu:
Cover your cough.
Wash your hands often and well.
Keep yourself healthy with rest, exercise, and eating healthy foods.
Drink plenty of fluids.
Stay home if you get sick.
Avoid close contact with sick people.

For more information on the H1N1 virus, visit www.healthvermont.gov.