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By David Delcore TIMES ARGUS STAFF - Published: July 1, 2009

BARRE – A year ago City Assessor Joseph Levesque said Barre was badly in need of another city-wide reappraisal – its third since 2002.

Nothing has changed.

Levesque, who has constantly complained about the work product of his predecessor since he was hired to replace her nearly three years ago, says that he'll tell a concerned City Council that the glaring errors he claims to keep discovering in the city's Grand List warrant a comprehensive revaluation of every property in the community.

"We need to buck up and just do it," said Levesque, who has methodically sought to correct errors when he sees them – predictably prompting complaints that he is engaging in what Councilor Paul Poirier described last week as a "selective reappraisal."

That simply isn't the case, according to Levesque, who recently mailed notices to more than 430 of the city's 4,000 property owners. As many as two-thirds of those notices reflected Levesque's modifications to property values that were set by former Assessor Caroline Lockyer during the city's last reappraisal in 2006.

Levesque has been extremely critical of the work that went into that reappraisal, suggesting that an inordinate number of the city's properties appear to have been undervalued.

"What they did is way beyond me," he told one perplexed property owner Friday during one of the first of nearly 80 grievance hearings that will be held over the next several days.

Ric Dente was among the disgruntled property owners who made their way to City Hall to ask why Levesque had increased their assessments.

Dente, who bought the three-story building that houses his North Main Street market and four apartments back in 1973, said he has done little other than maintain it since that time. And, while a parade of assessors have been through the building over the years, Dente said he was stunned by a notice from Levesque informing him he had increased the value of the property from $151,000 to $215,000.

"I just think a 40 percent increase at one time is a lot without it being a reappraisal where everyone's (property is) looked at with one set of eyes," he said.

"I don't disagree with you at all," Levesque replied. "I would be most in favor of a city-wide reappraisal."

Levesque, who heard the word "selective" several times on Friday, repeatedly expressed his support for a reappraisal.

According to Levesque, the latest batch of notices – like the 400 he sent out last year provoking similar complaints – is a mix of "errors and inconsistencies" that he spotted as well as increases associated with permitted improvements that had been completed, but not noted in city's database.

Ned Ordway, owner of Ordway Electric and Machine Co. on Smith Street, fell into the former category.

"Your building has been undervalued since 2006," Levesque told Ordway, noting that portions of the building were inexplicably omitted from the city's records.

When Levesque added them back in the value of the property increased by roughly $200,000 to just over $325,000 – a figure Ordway said he can't absorb in the current business climate.

"If this (appraisal) sticks I can't afford to keep the building," he told Levesque, noting several "bigger, better buildings" have sold recently for much less per square foot.

"I can't see that increase for my building when essentially what I'm doing is maintaining it," he said.

Levesque said while he sympathized with those whose property values had increased and was willing to listen to reasonable arguments he had an obligation to correct mistakes.

"I'm a rock stuck in a hard place," he said. "As long as I'm fair and equitable, that's the key."

It remains to be seen how the council will respond to Levesque's call for a reappraisal, or how approval of that proposal would affect any of the most recently adjusted property values.

Barre is hardly in the danger zone in terms of its common level of appraisal – thanks in part to the piecemeal adjustments Levesque has made over the last three years. For school-funding purposes the city's common level of appraisal, or CLA, is at a healthy 93 percent of fair market value.








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RESPONDING TO NONENONE : my appraisal WAS INDEED MORE THAN BANK VALUE! I HAD TO TAKE TIME OFF OF WORK AND GO DOWN THE ASSESSORS W/MY ASSESSMENT TO PROVE IT. THAT IS HOW THE ASSESSOR DECIDED TO DROP IT.. BANK WAS $175900 & THE CITY WAS $195000.. DON'T TELL PEOPLE WHAT IS AND ISN'T IF YOU AREN'T THE ONE DEALING W/IT.
-- Posted by barre mom None on Sat, Jul 4, 2009, 9:03 am EST

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"I just think its odd that the entire nation is in the midst of a housing meltdown, the prices of houses are dropping everywhere. Everywhere except for Barre, VT."

That is not quite true. We just had a reappraisal done in Ryegate and the values went up a lot. My property is now appraised at 99% higher than what it was in 2001. Most other properties went up around half that rate. I have not made any improvements since the last reappraisal.

The "fair market" value is based on what properties have sold for in the last few years. What this doesn't take into consideration is that, in many localities, housing prices have dropped 20% or more in the last year. It also doesn't take into account the factors that allowed many people to get mortgages are not in place anymore. Lenders are being much tighter with mortgage money and with the astounding amount of dollars the fed is printing, interests rates are bound to go up as the value of the dollar declines. Anyone who buys a home at the value listed in the town of Ryegate will have a mortgage that is "under water" in very short order.
-- Posted by Gary Murphy on Fri, Jul 3, 2009, 10:37 pm EST

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I just think its odd that the entire nation is in the midst of a housing meltdown, the prices of houses are dropping everywhere. Everywhere except for Barre, VT. Doesnt make much sense to me.
Someone at city hall thinks they are being smart and generating extra money from tax collections. What I would do is each person who thinks they are being improperly reappraised which they prolly are.
Keep on filling out the form on this page and requesting that the reappraisal process be looked into and needs supervision in this town.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

The city isnt going to help, the state aint going to help. However if enough people respond about the reappraisal process, asking something to be done. Than answers will begin to come. Reappraisals clearly only result in a higher tax bill
-- Posted by ok then on Fri, Jul 3, 2009, 4:45 pm EST

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Barre Mom none, the city appraisal cannot be over the bank appraisal. it is illegal. i have had to fight city hall many times in the last 8 years. and i found out that their appraisal cannot be higher than the banks.
-- Posted by None None on Fri, Jul 3, 2009, 12:44 pm EST

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I've certainly complained in the past about taxes, especially in the City Of Barre. The chief complaint is accountability on how the taxes are spent, and more importantly, how and what they are spent on and when. When one looks at the budget printed in the city report, migraines ensue. It is virtually impossible for the average laymen to decipher the figures. It certainly takes more than a few days, which is the time we all had before the budget vote, as the book didn't even arrive until a few days before. Some sort of a more transparent budget needs to be created. In order to do that, however, the way the city accounts for it's business needs to change. Audits should not take a solid year.

In any case, while a reappraisal is definitely a must do, it's not because of the economy. It's because the last few were so screwed up. Not everyone in the city were appraised the same. It's time taxes were distributed across the board, to all taxpayers. In this way, appraised values should increase, while the tax rate should decline, at least temporarily..

None of this will relieve the anxiety of the 14 million dollar debt (and it's interest) we are ALL paying on. A radical approach needs to be implemented to pay some of that off. Continuing to pay interest only, while bonding for "special" projects that should have been budgeted maintenance projects all along, is very short sighted. Also, continuing to treat the taxpayers like ignorant children instead of explaining the current plan out is counterproductive and actually kinda snotty. It's sometimes difficult to deal with folks who only want to hear their side, but it's no reason to lump everyone together either. The rest of us to have eyes, and ears, and we use them..
-- Posted by CJ maloney on Fri, Jul 3, 2009, 12:08 pm EST

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oldman - how do you sell a house the city has over assessed & believes is valued at a 2 yr bank appraisal. we have had 2 raises in our property taxes and haven't been able to make ANY ungrades to our interior.. it's almost all original 1965! still has the shag rug (in great condition but still shag) older 70's appliances. our taxes are $4500.. our lot is a 1/4 an acre.. the bank appraisal was less than the city on the last 2 re-assessment. who can sell a house that way. the city was generous enough to MATCH the bank appraisal. I GOT A STOP SIGN IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE THAT PEOPLE CAN'T BOTHER TO STOP AT. EVEN WHEN THE KIDS ARE OUT PLAYING! WE COULD MAKE SOME SERIOUS TAX MONEY IF THEY PARKED A CRUISER AT MY CORNER! i call in once a week to report it & no one ever responds. i know we are short handed at the pd but if they are going to park somewhere i got a corner for them! if that statement doesn't give me away to some of you : )
-- Posted by barre mom None on Fri, Jul 3, 2009, 10:27 am EST

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J DOW,
I'd bet your house is twice the house your mother's is. I moved here long ago because I couldn't afford the inflated home values in Burlington.
-- Posted by Barre City Resident on Fri, Jul 3, 2009, 5:40 am EST

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You folks that live in Barre should move...................
-- Posted by Olde Man on Thu, Jul 2, 2009, 6:17 pm EST

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To do a partial reappraisal definitely hurts the individual taxpayer that meets this fate. Let's assume the appraisal is fair and accurate. Now those 400 people are paying their correct share of the tax burden for the City of Barre based on the value of their homes. It's the 3600 other Barre City homeowners that were not reappraised that may not be paying their proper share of the cities tax burden. They also are secretly thrilled that Mr. Levesque didn't knock on their door, who could blame them.
So it's not Mr. Levesque's fault, it's the cities fault for not realizing that a complete reappraisal is necessary in order to distribute the tax burden equally and fairly for all of Barre City Taxpayers.

D.A.Martin
-- Posted by Deborah Martin on Thu, Jul 2, 2009, 1:08 pm EST

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Whoops... I meant to say "when I bought my house in 2006" not 1996. If it was 1996, I probably wouldn't have anything to complaint about - lol.
-- Posted by John R. on Thu, Jul 2, 2009, 9:13 am EST

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Barre city resident,
You are so wrong. My mother lives in Burlington and has her house is valued around $300,000.00 and pays close to 3500 in taxes. My house in Barre city is appraised around $225,000.00 and I pay over $5,000.00 in taxes. Check your facts. I have lived in Barre for almost 4 years to the day and the town appraiser has been to my house twice since the initial assessment. Its out of control
-- Posted by J DOW on Thu, Jul 2, 2009, 9:11 am EST

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Unfortunately, a city wide reappraisal is needed. When I bought my house in 1996, its city appraisal was $112,000. Just two weeks after closing, I got a notice stating that it was reappraised to $142,000. Last year, I got another notice telling me that it had been reappraised, once again, to $171,000. The city wide reappraisal should rebalance the tax burden more fairly. It would be nice if there was an easier way to do this, but I've not heard any viable alternatives.
-- Posted by John R. on Thu, Jul 2, 2009, 9:10 am EST

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I live in a condo 900 or so squ ft. total. My friend lives down the street in a house, with a yard, with a detached garage. Her taxes are more than $200 less than mine????
-- Posted by (Anonymous) on Thu, Jul 2, 2009, 9:00 am EST

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Barre City is one of the least expensive places to purchase and sustain a home in Vermont. Try moving an inch closer to Burlington if you want a taste of super high taxes.
-- Posted by Barre City Resident on Thu, Jul 2, 2009, 6:09 am EST

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The entire system of "equalizing" property values needs to be thrown out especially the "common level of appraisal". This doesn't result in fair assessments, and forces cities and towns to spend tens of thousands of dollars to reappraise every few years based on arbitrary factors at best. Guess what happens when they spend all that money? They have to raise your taxes to pay for it!

"Ok then" might be on to something and I'd bet Barre City isn't the only place that one should avoid owning property in lest you want to be hammered with super high property taxes.
-- Posted by Ski Frog on Wed, Jul 1, 2009, 8:18 pm EST

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A website called VermontPropertyTax.com might help people understand how the assessment and appeal process works. Property owners are responsible for insuring their property is fairly assessed. While the city is charged with assigning a value, it is the homeowners job to be sure it is fair and equitable.
-- Posted by Rich None on Wed, Jul 1, 2009, 6:44 pm EST

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Thanks for your comment Bob. My reading comprehension skills definately need improvement, I totally read the article a different way. Rather than Paul Poirier being described as being selective, he was actually describing Levesque as being selective. I hope I didn't put too much of a wrinkle in your day. With all this being said, I still won't be voting for Paul Poirier.
-- Posted by How do I heart thee on Wed, Jul 1, 2009, 2:04 pm EST

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HTIHT,you really should have someone read the article to you and explain what mr poirier actually said before you make another dumb comment like that.
-- Posted by bob on Wed, Jul 1, 2009, 1:35 pm EST

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If Paul Poirier is being selective in the process of which house gets appraised he will probably come to my house first since he knows I don't like him and won't be voting for him.
-- Posted by How do I heart thee on Wed, Jul 1, 2009, 12:39 pm EST

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My property was assessed too high the last time it got appraised.
-- Posted by How do I heart thee on Wed, Jul 1, 2009, 12:35 pm EST

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The smartest thing to do is just avoid owning property in Barre city. I know several property owners in Barre city who are getting there properties reappraised for 10's of thousands of dollars more than what they are worth. The only thing it results in is a higher tax bill for the city.
However from my understanding the Appraisal process is what caused the housing market collapse to begin with. They can reappraise all they want, however the appraisal process will be fedrally regulated before we know it. They the more falsely inflated buildings, The better.
-- Posted by ok then on Wed, Jul 1, 2009, 12:28 pm EST

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I'm sure I'd be upset if one of the property's were mine but in these two cases it sounds like the Assessor is correct. Parts of the propery weren't even on the record and a business & 4 apts on Main $151,000 sounds very low, dosen't it to most of you. I hate my property taxes also but you know death & taxes ..........
-- Posted by montpelier28 on Wed, Jul 1, 2009, 10:56 am EST

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