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House committee approves gay marriage bill

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By DANIEL BARLOW
Vermont Press Bureau - Published: March 31, 2009

MONTPELIER – The House Judiciary Committee voted 8-2 Tuesday morning to approve a same-sex marriage bill.

Seven Democrats on the committee were joined by a single Republican in approving the bill, which comes after more than a week of testimony. The bill is expected to be debated on the floor of the Vermont House Thursday and Friday.

“It’s no secret where I stand on this issue,” said Rep. William Lippert, D-Hinesburg, the chair of the Judiciary Committee, shortly before he voted yes. “I believe this is the right thing to do. I believe this is the right time to do it.”

Tuesday’s vote brings Vermont one step closer to becoming the third state allowing same-sex couples to marry, although the bill faces a veto from Republican Gov. James Douglas if it passes the House.

The Judiciary Committee unanimously approved three amendments to the bill Tuesday morning, including boosting provisions that protect religious institutions from performing marriage ceremonies they don’t agree with.

Other amendments that were easily approved include one that reaffirms the rights of organizations such as the Knights of Columbus to determine its own membership and one that retains the use of terms such as husband and wife in state law and documents – but makes it clear that the terms also include same-sex couples.

Lippert, who offered the final amendment, said he wanted to include that language to make it clear that lawmakers have no authority over religious marriages – that’s protected by the U.S. Constitution – and that this bill only changes civil marriages in the eyes of the state.

Tuesday’s vote was tough for some members. Rep. Margaret Flory, R-Pittsford, a veteran of the civil union debate of 2000, said she was verbally and physically accosted by a same-sex marriage supporter over the weekend, adding that she is “ashamed of Vermont for the way people, on both sides, reacted to this.”

Flory voted no.

“I would be happier with the state getting out of the marriage business all together,” she said. “We could grant any two people who want to be financially responsible for each other all the legal benefits and obligations.”

Contact Daniel Barlow at Daniel.Barlow@timesargus.com.



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READER COMMENTS


i have to agree that a popular vote is the way to go. everyone has their own opinion on this issue and everyone is entitled to have their own opinion. that is fact.

enough of the tactics being used by the gay extremists to disrupt this legislative season. the legislature has trouble enough making common sense decisions without your input.

i am not against gay marriage, lets face the fact that marriage has become an old tool that no longer applies to modern society.

if gay people want to start entering into marriage then let them! they will quickly find out that the court system will treat them unfairly just like they do "man and woman" marriages.

and then we will get to listen to gay people "once again complain about unfair treatment by the state". WELCOME to the world of marriage! the state has been discriminating against fathers forever so you might as well join the club.

wahwahwah.
-- Posted by truth real on Wed, Apr 1, 2009, 10:24 pm EST

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I would really like to see a popular vote on this issue. Let the people vote and let the chips fall into place. Our courageous representatives (choke , choke) haven't got the guts to actually ask their constituents what they really want and Really represent them. Now that is true government Of the people By the people and FOR the people. I personally don't give a rats butt if it passes or not. But to circumvent the will of the people they represent is wrong .
-- Posted by carl None on Wed, Apr 1, 2009, 3:44 pm EST

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Get your veto stamp ready Governor Douglas!
-- Posted by How do I heart thee on Wed, Apr 1, 2009, 3:12 pm EST

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In 1999 they over turned that to allow civil unions... Now the legislature is challenging that unequal scheme as well..

If Gay Marriage is not about CIVIL RIGHTS, why call the partnership.. CIVIL UNIONS??
-- Posted by Melissa B. on Wed, Apr 1, 2009, 12:25 pm EST

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The Federal government decided in 1996 in DOMA, Defense of Marriage Act, that:

1. No state (or other political subdivision within the United States) needs to treat a relationship between persons of the same sex as a marriage, even if the relationship is considered a marriage in another state.
2. The Federal Government may not treat same-sex relationships as marriages for any purpose, even if concluded or recognized by one of the states.

Not only is it wrong, it is a waste of time and money because it will not accomplish anything!
-- Posted by miss kitty on Wed, Apr 1, 2009, 10:22 am EST

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Peter Everett- That is exactly the reasoning the US Supremem Court used, that is why they will not doing anything further with the issue. The door isopen for more freaks and whackos & trio's and duos
-- Posted by Are you Kidding? on Wed, Apr 1, 2009, 6:32 am EST

I don't recall the USSC ever weighing in on the issue of same sex marriage, except declining to hear any argument against the Defense of Marriage act on the grounds that it would violate states rights to regulate themselves in the matter.
-- Posted by Captain Obvious on Wed, Apr 1, 2009, 9:05 am EST

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Marriage was historically a financial and sometimes political arrangement. These days we say it's about two people pledging love and commitment to each other.
Does anyone know if the House vote might clear the 2/3's needed to override Jimbo's veto? One can hope.
-- Posted by None None on Wed, Apr 1, 2009, 8:08 am EST

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In matters of conscience, the law of the majority has no place.  
--Gandhi (1869-1948)  

Very important to remember for this debate where so many posted comments are so very senseless.
-- Posted by grnmtnwmn on Tue, Mar 31, 2009, 11:56 pm EST

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The whole "slippery slope" thing is a possibility. The state has an obligation to identify what its reasons are for promoting marriage (for anyone at all), and apply those reasons without predjudice to all who desire marriage. If the state cannot defend its compelling interest in allowing or not allowing a particular group, then it is not an appropriate standard.

So far with in the gay marriage debate, the state has failed to demonstrate a compelling interest in barring gay couples the right to marry. "Because we've always done it that way" isn't a very good argument for anything at all. "To protect the children" doesn't fare very well in the face of studies that show that children of gay and lesbian couples are well adjusted - and most likely to be adversely affected by other people's predjudices, not by their parents' inherent qualities. "To promote procreation" doesn't fare very well in light of heterosexual marriage between people who can't possibly have children.

So why does the state get into the marriage business? It had better come up with some good reasons, and be ready to defend them.
-- Posted by lefty on Tue, Mar 31, 2009, 8:34 pm EST

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If this bill is passed and same sex couples are no longer discriminated against can the state discriminate against a person who wants more than one spouse, marrying a sister or brother or any blood relation? I wouls think that if you can't discriminate against one group you now wouldn't be allowed to discriminate against ANY group.

VTRef
-- Posted by Peter Everett on Tue, Mar 31, 2009, 4:41 pm EST

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Thank you for your insightful contribution to the debate.
-- Posted by Captain Obvious on Tue, Mar 31, 2009, 1:12 pm EST

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STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-- Posted by None None on Tue, Mar 31, 2009, 12:55 pm EST

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The Votes
Voting yes:
Rep. Eldred French, D-Cuttingsville
Rep. Willem Jewett, D-Ripton
Rep. Richard Marek, D-Newfane
Rep. Cynthia Martin, D-Springfield
Rep. Kathy Pellett, D-Chester
Rep. Heidi Scheuermann, R-Stowe
Rep. William Lippert, D-Hinesburg
Rep. Maxine Grad, D-Moretown

Voting no:
Rep. Margaret Flory, R-Pittsford
Rep. Andrew Donaghy, R-Poultney

Absent:
Rep. Patti Komline, R-Dorset