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Douglas vows to veto marriage bill



Gov. James Douglas announces his intentions to veto legislation making same-sex marriage legal in Vermont during a news conference in Montpelier.

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By DANIEL BARLOW Vermont Press Bureau - Published: March 26, 2009

MONTPELIER – Governor James Douglas said Wednesday he will veto the same-sex marriage bill if it comes to his desk.

The four-term Republican governor has never made a veto threat before, but said he worried that speculation over what he would do has become a distraction at the Vermont Statehouse.

"For those reasons and because I believe that by removing any uncertainty about my position we can move more quickly beyond this debate, I am announcing that I intend to veto this legislation when it reaches my desk," Douglas told reporters during a hastily called press conference.

Douglas' opposition to same-sex marriage was not a surprise – but his veto threat was. His announcement ends weeks of speculation as to what he would do with the legislation, which many expect will pass the Democratically controlled Vermont House next week. The bill was easily approved in a 26-4 vote by the Vermont Senate on Monday.

But his announcement also comes at the start of the bill's legislative process in the Vermont House. That chamber's Judiciary Committee began testimony on the bill Tuesday and is expected to vote next week.

Statehouse Democrats were surprised by the governor's announcement and accused him of trying to influence the legislative process before much of the testimony in the House committee had even begun.

House Speaker Shap Smith, a Morristown Democrat, said Douglas was "subverting the legislative process."

Sen. Richard Sears, D-Bennington, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said veto threat or not – same-sex marriage won't go away as an issue until it is approved by the Legislature and signed into law.

Senate President Pro Tem Peter Shumlin, a Windham County Democrat, had some of the harshest criticism of Douglas. He said the legislative hearings have been cordial – until the governor injected politics and his veto threat into the equation.

He urged supportive Vermonters to begin pressuring Douglas into allowing the bill to become law.

"You can't veto love between two people," Shumlin said. "You can't veto two people's desire to enter into a lifelong, loving marriage."

Rep. William Lippert, D-Hinesburg, the chair of the House Judiciary Committee, said same-sex marriage hearings in his committee would continue despite the veto threat. Civil rights for gay and lesbian Vermonters is an issue that touches the hearts of Vermonters, he said, including his own.

"We will continue our work and we will finish our work," Lippert said. "And we will bring a marriage equality bill to the floor of the House."

Douglas, who took office three years after lawmakers passed Vermont's first-in-the-nation civil union law, said Wednesday that he believes marriage is a union between one man and one woman.

He also repeated his belief that the debate is a distraction for lawmakers, who he says should be focusing on economic issues. But he acknowledged that the bill was moving along the legislative process and said lawmakers should vote their conscience.

"I have Republican friends who will vote for this bill and Democratic friends who will vote against – and regardless of their vote, they will still be my friends and have my respect when this issue is resolved," Douglas said.

The governor also said Wednesday that he believes Democrats and other same-sex marriage supporters in the Legislature have the votes to override his veto.

That's not clear, however. While the Senate would likely have the votes to override the veto, House Democrats have never overridden one of Douglas' vetoes with its loose coalition of party members, Progressives and independents.

Veto overrides require the approval of two-thirds of the legislative body. In the Senate, that's easy: Democrats hold 23 seats compared with the seven for the Republicans. In the House, Democrats hold 95 seats, the Republicans have 48, the Progressives have five and there are two independents.

Statehouse Democrats on Wednesday would not say if they have counted votes for an override. Smith said they are focusing on the committee deliberations and then a possible floor debate first.

"We haven't even actually passed the bill," he said. "We shouldn't be talking about whether we can override a veto."

Douglas' announcement surprised Beth Robinson, an attorney with the group Vermont Freedom to Marry, who successfully argued the court case leading to civil unions in the late 1990s. She said his veto will put the governor on the "wrong side of history."

"I want to avoid the game of jumping ahead," she said. "The bill is still in the committee process. I'm taking this one day at a time."

Steve Cable of Rutland, the spokesperson for the organization Vermont Renewal, which is opposed to same-sex marriage, said that when he heard Douglas' announcement Wednesday, the first thing he did was call the governor's office and thank him.

"I'm pleased that he has taken a stand on this issue," Cable said. "I'm hoping his directness on this matter will encourage people to do the right thing."

Sen. Kevin Mullin, R-Rutland, a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee who supported the same-sex marriage bill, said he was "somewhat surprised" that Douglas broke tradition by issuing a veto threat.

Mullin, who had also pushed the option of a non-binding town meeting referendum on same-sex marriage, said he thinks Douglas' announcement will influence votes in the Vermont House – although he wouldn't say in which direction.

"Politically speaking, I think I understand his move," Mullin said. "I think it will influence some decisions."

Contact Daniel Barlow at Daniel.Barlow@timesargus.com.










READER COMMENTS


The people of Vermont owe Governor Douglas a heartfelt thanks for standing up for what's right and vetoing this sham of a bill, forcing the travesty of same-sex "marriage" on the people of Vermont.

So let's all do what we can to help out the Governor and other like-minded and clear-thinking people. We can do so by sending out the following:

Medical, Psychological, and Sociological Reasons For Opposing Same-Sex "Marriage"

Opposition to same-sex marriage is supported by research, pointing out the medical, psychological, and sociological maladies that are strongly associated with same-sex behavior, even in so-called "committed" relationships. A six-part summary of these maladies and the overall basis for opposing same-sex marriage is linked (in topix/Berkshire Eagle) at the end of this message.(1)

So I urge all who rightfully oppose same-sex marriage, to copy this information, email it to as many people as you can, and ask them to do the same, especially to the legislators and Governor of Vermont. I also urge you to copy this information into as many message boards as you can. In this way, we can furnish people with the information they need to support traditional marriage, vote accordingly in upcoming elections and ballot initiatives, and persuade their representatives to do the same.

(1) - http://www.topix.net/forum/source/berkshire-eagle/TQ5363OTD3C0L3UQV#c5
-- Posted by None None on Fri, Mar 27, 2009, 1:03 am EST

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Carl give me a break. the only reason for not allowing gay marriage is based in symantics. "geez we'd love to offer equal rights, but you know, marriage is one man one woman. how 'bout a separate and not-quite-equal solution..." No other marriage (or divorce) has had an effect on the success of mine, and this will be no different.
-- Posted by Jim Richards on Thu, Mar 26, 2009, 9:56 pm EST

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Dear Carl,
If you would like to read about what civil marriage would provide same-gender couples that civil unions do not, follow this link:
http://www.vtfreetomarry.org/faq.html#2
I believe we can create jobs, balance the budget, and protect the civil rights of all. This law will protect our neighbors, our friends and our families. Marriage may be only a word to those who are allowed it. To those who are not, it's far more.
-- Posted by J. M. Hewitt on Thu, Mar 26, 2009, 5:54 pm EST

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Could someone explain what are the inherent differences between Marriage and C.U. As I understand it There are none except a word. Is there a stigma for common law joinings. Palimony rules etc. Gee people get over it And look what our Government is doing. Taking over Companies, Banks etc. Making more laws we dont want. Taxing us to death. Making our grandchildren in debt before they even reach 12 years old. Dam word game is BS there is no difference and you all know it.
-- Posted by carl None on Thu, Mar 26, 2009, 3:44 pm EST

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Those opposing the same-sex legislation should enjoy patting themselves on the back. I mean, why wouldn't they? They've helped to try and deny their fellow human beings equality in the name of the law (as everyone has made clear this week, the rights between civil unions and gay-marriage are NOT equal). They all must be very proud of attempting to block a bill that would have no real affect on their lives; a bill that would change the lives of same-sex couples all over the state for the better. Bravo.
-- Posted by Isaac Demers on Thu, Mar 26, 2009, 2:21 pm EST

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Thank you Governor Douglas for standing your ground on this issue, It makes me proud to say I supported you on election day! Our legislative body should be more concerned about rebuilding our economy right now!!!
-- Posted by Reggie Brown on Thu, Mar 26, 2009, 10:33 am EST

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As a former Vermonter, I congratulate Governor Douglas for his action to veto the gay marriage bill. My husband and I have been married for nearly 52 years. I suggest that gays/lesbians should be able to have the same rights as we have as "marrieds" but I suggest that their unions are not "marriage". Simple solution: Their certificate of union should be a "Certificate of Legal Union" NOT a marriage certificate.
-- Posted by Roberta Fuller on Thu, Mar 26, 2009, 9:28 am EST

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Three Cheers for Governor Douglas!
-- Posted by How do I heart thee on Thu, Mar 26, 2009, 9:15 am EST

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So Douglas' coalition consists of:

the wealthy who dont want to pay more taxes even though so many are hurting in thsi state

those angry because of the recession looking for a place to put their anger

backed up by religious cases who want things back the way they used to be in the 50 s when women and queers knew their place. who wish gays wd go away.

the greedy, the angry and the overly religious..hmm

Sounds very much like another Winning Coalition.. BUSH/CHENEY/ROVE.

is this REALLY how VT wants to see itself?

Look in the mirror VT,, is this your governor?

Or an opportunist playing DIVIDE AND CONQUER very successfully.

Shame. Shame. Shame.
-- Posted by liz None on Thu, Mar 26, 2009, 8:51 am EST

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HOORAY GOVERNOR DOUGLASS!!! There is one person who stands up for what we believe and is not afraid of the outcome. Hopefully more at the State house will do the same and we can get rid of this bill and be focused on really issues. If they want marriage CT and MA are not far away, if you leave now you could be married in a few hours.
-- Posted by BARREHELP on Thu, Mar 26, 2009, 8:45 am EST

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