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By Dawson Raspuzzi Rutland Herald - Published: November 28, 2008

Vermont's higher education leaders are in the forefront of a drinking age initiative signed by more than 100 college and university presidents across the nation.

College officials who have signed on to the initiative recognize that the minimum legal drinking age of 21 has proven ineffective and that the effects of lowering the drinking age should be discussed.

Nine Vermont college presidents and the chancellor of the Vermont State Colleges, have signed the Amethyst Initiative, which is spearheaded by former Middlebury College president John McCardell.

Since it was launched in July, 134 college presidents from around the country have signed onto the initiative, which asserts that the 21-year-old minimum drinking age is not working because more young people are drinking irresponsibly in unsafe environments.

The initiative is a project of Choose Responsibility, a nonprofit organization McCardell founded in 2007, after he left Middlebury in 2004.

While Choose Responsibility proposes lowering the drinking age to 18, supporters of the Amethyst Initiative don't necessarily support a change in the law.

In Vermont, the presidents of Bennington College, Castleton State College, College of St. Joseph, Johnson State College, Lyndon State College, Middlebury College, New England Culinary Institute, Vermont Law School and Vermont Technical College have all signed the Amethyst Initiative.

Many of Vermont's college leaders said they would like the minimum drinking age lowered to 18, the legal age for voting, serving in public office, signing contracts, marrying and serving in the armed forces.

Frank Miglorie, the president at College of St. Joseph in Rutland, put it this way. "The primary motivator for me came back to the core belief I have that if you're 18 years old in our society you gain full citizenship so to speak — you have a voice, you have a vote … and in my mind, it seems reasonable that the opportunity to drink alcoholic beverages ought to be attached to that age as well.

"Supporting this concept that people be allowed to drink legally in our state and our country at age 18 in no way provides them with an endorsement to be irresponsible in doing that," he said. "But if someone wants to drink and be irresponsible, I don't think that's specific to age."

Castleton State College President David Wolk said teaching responsible drinking in an educational setting is a safer alternative for young adults who might otherwise put themselves in potentially dangerous situations.

Wolk, who has been an educator for 27 years, said the 21-year-old drinking age minimum is ineffective.

"I've long supported making changes to move in a responsible way, having worked with high school and college students I believe that a graduated approach to legalizing drinking at age 18 makes sense," Wolk said.

Miglorie said educating young people about drinking earlier in life instead of just saying "don't drink until you are 21" and letting them fend for themselves would likely reduce the amount of dangerous binge drinking in the country.

McCardell said the first step is to ask Congress to reverse the National Minimum Drinking Age Act passed in 1984, which imposes a 10 percent reduction of federal highway appropriations for states that set the drinking age under 21.

In Vermont, that would mean losing out on approximately $17 million of federal funding. With so much money on the line, states are unable to debate the issue objectively, McCardell said.

McCardell said education officials are publicizing their concerns about the issue now because Congress will reauthorize the transportation bill next year.

The president of Vermont Technical College, Ty Handy, said he endorses a debate about the issue.

"I know my college kids are going to engage in some of that behavior and what worries me the most is if they are forced away from the campus they are much more likely to be hurt," Handy said.

"I've been here three years and the year before I got here two students were killed in an alcohol-related accident … they were not on campus, they were 30 minutes away. That sort of incident is devastating to a college," Handy said.

Mothers Against Drunk Driving has publicly opposed the Amethyst Initiative.

MADD cites studies showing the number of alcohol-related driving fatalities has decreased dramatically since the National Minimum Drinking Age Act passed in 1984. The nonprofit advocacy group estimates 1,000 lives have been saved each year since the law was passed.

"Any talk of lowering the drinking age is simply bad public policy because research is showing us that the 21 law saves lives," said MADD spokesman David DeIuliis. "There's no reason to lower the age, we've been there, done that, and it didn't work and there's no point in going back there for the sake of an experiment, it's just irresponsible."

McCardell said the decreases in fatalities are likely due to a number of factors including safer vehicles, airbags, seat-belt laws and more vigorous law enforcement.

Although McCardell said some lives may have been saved under the law, many more deaths have resulted because of it.

"You can't simply measure the effectiveness of this law by deaths on the highway," McCardell said.

He pointed out another study that shows more than 1,000 people age 18-24 die annually due to alcohol-related incidents off the highways.

Because of the conflicting statistical information, many presidents, including Middlebury College President Ronald Liebowitz, signed the Amethyst Initiative because they want to see independent groups conduct independent research.

"Middlebury College supports the efforts to search for a better method of addressing alcohol abuse on college campuses. I am not prepared to support the lowering of the legal drinking age unless data emerge that support this change and there is further discussion," Leibowitz wrote in a statement.

Handy also said he wants to review additional research before he makes a commitment to a change in the law.

"I'm not convinced that the studies performed on this are valid because they are performed by groups with a vested interest," he said. "There are college kids dying weekly, and probably daily, after they've been drinking and I hope we can develop some good data and take an honest look at it."



Contact Dawson Raspuzzi at dawson.raspuzzi@rutlandherald.com.








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FACT: College kids have always drank. They drink now and will continue to do so regardless of the official drinking age.

Some countries have much lower drinking ages and less enforcement but also have far less problems with alcohol abuse. Spain and Italy come to mind. In America there is this rush to experiment with alcohol in high schools across the country. In college it is expected that kids will get blasted from time to time.

QUESTION TO ALL: How many kids do you know that have never had a drink before their 21st birthday ?? ??

DUI needs stricter enforcement.

Drinking some alcohol is normal and acceptable and certainly our armed forces are old enough to have a beer.

We tend to go to extremes and want a TOTAL BAN like Carrie Nation. The legislature can make whatever laws it wants BUT: College kids are GOING to drink alcohol.

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-- Posted by Olde Man on Wed, Dec 3, 2008, 9:16 pm EST

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Which is a better place to learn about responsible drinking and your limits?

a) In a hometown setting where, in most cases, parents and other responsible adults provide some caring oversight of either a singular drinking experience or a pattern of increasingly irresponsible behavior with alcohol.

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b) Away from home (likely on campus) in an environment with virtually no adult supervision that tolerates, if not encourages, repeated episodic binge drinking.

If you've been near a college campus lately, I think you have to go with the hometown approach.

I personally think back to my first (and largely last) "excessive" drinking experience with positive memories. It occurred in high school. Though I was grounded for my actions, I still remember the worse punishment being the disappointment I saw in my parents' eyes. I also remember to this day the "so what did you learn?" discussion we had.

To me, that learning experience beats the hell out of awakening to an equally drunk roommate saying, "Dude, we were so wasted last night".
-- Posted by Jeff Andrews on Tue, Dec 2, 2008, 5:41 pm EST

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Eliminate the drinking age and let Darwin get on with his work.
-- Posted by Dick C on Tue, Dec 2, 2008, 2:41 pm EST

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Defend this country at 18, vote at 18, marry at 18, buy a home at 18, college at 18, consider an "adult" in the legal system at 18, purchaes cigarettes at 18, you should be able to drink at 18! Plain and simple, how dare we give "certain" rights under the constitution.
-- Posted by Mel on Tue, Dec 2, 2008, 7:20 am EST

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S&T, I can't imagine doing your job, and i thank you for being a police officer. And you point out the heart of this argument;the 21 driking age is not working to stop underage drinking, lowering it to 18 may simply mask that problem or make it worse (but probably not make it worse, since as you pointed out alcohol abuse starts so much sooner than 18).So, what do we do? Stir up contraversy and then hopefully action with a law change, or stick with the status quo which clearly is not working?
-- Posted by Jim Richards on Tue, Dec 2, 2008, 6:13 am EST

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Why are laws created? Because people get stupid and make stupid decisions which hurt themselves and/or others. Therefore, the government has to make laws to tell people, "Hey, you can't do that because you will hurt yourself or someone else." It's the same with the drinking age. It was raised because too many young people were getting hurt. Not too many years ago Vermont was #1 for underage drinking fatalities. NOT a #1 ranking I was proud of! This is why VT changed their underage drinking laws...TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN! Why is this a bad thing?

And for those of you who don't know...the laws in VT are actually aimed at EDUCATION rather than punishment (at least for the first offense). The first offense is a CIVIL violation where the juvenile will have to meet with an alcohol counselor and learn about what alcohol does to his/her body. There is a program that they must go through...if they complete the program...NO FURTHER PENALTIES. Why are people so reluctant to educate the youth about what alcohol does to their bodies and judgment? Does anyone actually have an argument that alcohol is actually "healthy" for ANYONE?

Scientific research shows that a human brain continues to develop into your 20's. Why would you want to allow someone whose brain is still developing to consume something that can damage their still developing brain? Don't most people look at their newborn children and want them to have the best possible start to life so they can live up to their full potential? Then why would you want them to damage the growth of their brain?

Even with the drinking age at 21 there are still younger kids getting access to alcohol (mostly through their older friends or siblings of their friends). So, 18 year olds who go to college are getting alcohol from those they go to school with. If you lower the drinking age to 18...you must remember that some 18 year olds are still in high school...now you have 14 and 15 year olds that are getting much easier access to alcohol. Research also shows that the younger you develop a drinking habit, the more likely you are to become dependent on alcohol (since, remember, the brain is still developing).

And before you go thinking I'm an idiot who doesn't think 14 and 15 year olds are getting alcohol even now...I know that's not true. I'm a police officer...I see this stuff first hand, and it scares me to death when I see a 15 year old who blows a .108% BAC and, if I didn't know any better, looking at him I'd swear he was sober. No stumbling, so slurring. That tells me that he's been drinking for a while and is what we call a "practiced drunk". At 15 years old!! Does this scare anyone else? If there was no recourse for this type of situation, what do you think he will be like when he's 18? Or 21? If he even makes it that far.

There is no easy answer...but lowering the drinking age will only hurt more people. Oh, and for the person who thinks the police have "more important things to do"...let me tell you that I believe there are NO MORE important things for me to do than keep people safe. That's why I took the oath and it's what I believe. If I can stop one person from hurting themselves or someone else...then I've had a good day! When I have to tell a parent that their child has been in an accident and is being taken to the hospital to be rushed to surgery...that's a horrible day and I don't want to have to live days like that every again...but sadly, I will.
-- Posted by Sick and Tired on Tue, Dec 2, 2008, 12:06 am EST

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"My reasoning is that there are a high percentage of students who come to Vermont, find out how tough the enforcement of underage drinking is, get busted 2 times, and then return to whatever state they are from. They don't come back, instead go to a school where police have better things to do then monitor drinking at colleges... all it does is allow and ingore the huge substance problem that exists among college aged individuals."
sorry couldnt resist...
-- Posted by Jim Richards on Mon, Dec 1, 2008, 8:05 pm EST

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ML you are a great argument unto yourself. Students who leave are colleges to go to home state schools where they can drink without risk of consequence is funny enough, but then you place "where police have better things to do then monitor drinking at colleges" right next to all lowering the drinking age, "does is allow and ingore the huge substance problem that exists among college aged individuals." Priceless.
Lastly, our country trusts your judgment enough to allow you to risk your life in the military, marry, adopt a child, and take out a loan for a house, but does not think you can handle drinking alcohol is far from a moot point.
-- Posted by Jim Richards on Mon, Dec 1, 2008, 8:02 pm EST

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I believe that the colleges here want to lower the drinking age in order to keep profits and enrollment up. Of course, at the cost of how many lives? My reasoning is that there are a high percentage of students who come to Vermont, find out how tough the enforcement of underage drinking is, get busted 2 times, and then return to whatever state they are from. They don't come back, instead go to a school where police have better things to do then monitor drinking at colleges.
A lower drinking age does not ensure responsibility and safety, all it does is allow and ingore the huge substance problem that exists among college aged individuals.
Also, I am very sick of the "if you can fight for your country then you should be able to have a beer" argument. First of all, if you are on active duty, you are exempt from civil violations. Possession of alcohol is a civil violation for the first couple of times it happens. Therefore, there is no penalty for someone who is on active duty. So, really, that argument is moot.
I think that if the drinking age is lowered, then we adults should be able to use whatever substance we want to relax with, as long as we are doing it responsibly and safely.
-- Posted by M L on Mon, Dec 1, 2008, 12:38 pm EST

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By Jest I think you've got it! By lowering the drinking age, or dropping it, we will increase tax and fine revenues AND create countless new jobs!
-BTW, could you please direct me to those articles that show lowering the drinking age leads to an increase in health costs-they sound top notch.
-- Posted by Jim Richards on Sun, Nov 30, 2008, 11:46 am EST

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Watercloset - just a few things in case you missed what I was trying to say:

1. The state doesn't make money from enforcing laws regarding the misuse of alcohol. How could it? Think about how many extra police are required to keep us safe from people who do things under the influence of alcohol that they would not do otherwise. Think about all the jails and prisons, not to mention the people to run those places, that are required to house all these people who have altered their mental states with alcohol. Think about all the educational programs at all levels, including CRASH and other driver education programs that are required to try to get people NOT to drive while under the influence of mind-altering drugs including alcohol. And that's just the public sector! Think about the increased health insurance costs because people under the influence have more diseases and accidents than other people. Thank about the increased casualty insurance costs that are related to alcohol and other drugs. Think about the personal tragedy costs: the death and destruction, the broken families. All this so we can change our consciousness, avoid reality, poison our minds and our bodies. Nobody but the alcohol and entertainment industries make money from alcohol, certainly not the state. Incidentally, the state is us. We (the state) lose money because of alcohol - from all the reasons I listed above and more.

2. I hope you realize I was being facetious when I suggested eliminating all laws regarding the age when children could drug themselves into a state of inebriation. You didn't think I was serious about drugging babies to sleep with booze, did you?

3. Many people, including me, have suggested that there should not be any children in the armed forces of this country. If the age of voluntary enlistment were raised from 17 to 21 the inequality of those two dangerous activities would be eliminated and more kids lives would be saved. Let's face it, the military loves to get those kids into uniform because they're more easily manipulated at that age. The older the recruit, the less likely he or she is to join up in a whim. Anyways, why would people want to reward the survivors of military actions by making it possible to more easily kill themselves at home? Try to get past the rewards of drinking and see t for what it really is. You might even come to realize that it's dangerous enough that you'd want to RAISE the age of legal imbibing even further.
-- Posted by Jest Askin on Sun, Nov 30, 2008, 9:21 am EST

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Well, perhaps one reason for the 21 yr. old drinking law is that it really does enhance state budgets. How much does a DUI cost you? It all goes to the state. They will not raise taxes to balance the budget, but the cops will be out there gunning for as many fines as they can. In NH they almost make no secret about using this to balance the budgets. Douglas is, so far, a little more sly about it, but it is a huge cash cow for the states.

But I like Jest's idea of eliminating the drinking age all together except for the age where one can start going into bars. If we just grow up and start treating alcohol as a part of life rather than as a dark puritanical sin, we will experience far less problems with it than we now have. Societies were alcohol is treated this way are far less prone to the rampant alcoholism and binge culture that we have nourished here. There will always be alcoholics in every society; there will always be bingers in every society that get liver disease from drinking too much. There will always be people in every society that will abuse it or simply have a rollicking time with it, like the Germans at Octoberfest. If it were not alcohol, it would be something else. I have seen kids having a couple beers or wine with their elders and have never seen the kind of craziness there that we have with alcohol over here. I have worked with many people from overseas who are stunned at our immaturity with alcohol, yet they like to get drunk too.

It is a gross insult to soldiers under 21 fighting in Iraq that they would be arrested here for having something stronger than a glass of milk when, or if, they get back. It is a gross insult to an 18 yr. old to say that they are otherwise adults, except that they are still too immature to drink. And many of them are. They've always been taught that alcohol is something that they should not have, so the first thing that they want, that they crave, is what is against the law and they then just go insane with it.

It's time to grow up with alcohol.
-- Posted by Watercloset on Sat, Nov 29, 2008, 3:50 pm EST

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Sorry "andrew," I had to chuckle at the humor in your comment "... in almost every other country, alcohol is an excepted part of society ..." It may not be the way you meant it to read but it's true. The problems with drinking and driving in many other countries - even the very European countries that many people think are perfect examples of liberality regarding tots tottering around "in their cups."

Allowing ever-younger people to drink legally is a recipe for the disaster that Old World countries are currently trying to combat. Pick up a newspaper (that's easy to do online, btw) and you'll find articles regarding the problems of impaired driving, alcoholism and other problems that are exacerbated by starting the decline in mental and physical health that accompany teenage or younger imbibing.

Note that studies prove that the younger one starts drinking the more likely the drinker will become alcoholic. That ought to scare anyone ... with the possible exception of someone who is already in denial.

Don't believe the old stories that were probably started by the alcohol industry. Other countries DO NOT have better results by starting kids off earlier than we do. I fact, because their practices are so ingrained, one could make the point that they have a worse problem at reversing the problems of children drinking alcohol.

Enjoy the holiday season, "andrew," ... without booze. Hazy Christmas lights aren't nearly as sparkly and festive.
-- Posted by Jest Askin on Sat, Nov 29, 2008, 9:49 am EST

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Jest Askin has officially won the award for taking a subject and blowing it out of proportion, while never actually addressing the issue. While some may say that the idea of drinking at age 18 is foolish, i can see a headline of a article also on this site that is the real problem. The name of this article is: Driver with 4 DUIs crashes, sends 4 to hospital.

There is a far lesser problem with a non-enforcement of the laws on the books, because people are far more likely to get into stupid situations and habits when the first time they start to drink is in high school or early college (trust me, it happens whether illegal or not). Instead, in almost every other country, alcohol is an excepted part of society - and its understood that you don't drink and drive, and that you don't be stupid about drinking, where in our country if you are caught with a DUI, you get a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again.

Enforce the laws and get tough on DUI, because what is the problem, people getting drunk and driving, or someone having a beer after their day at work/class. If you make one more acceptable, you will have less of the other.
-- Posted by andrew desmarais on Fri, Nov 28, 2008, 11:26 pm EST

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Hmmm, great idea, lowering the drinking age to 18. But why stop there? Why not eliminate the drinking age entirely? That way, parents with a fussy infant could get their noisy little rugrat drunk and everyone in the house could sleep soundly? A shot of whiskey in the baby formula could make mom and dad's night more restful. Great plan, huh?

And, a side benefit, the market for alcoholic beverages would extend down into childhood so profits would be greater and we could have more of those entertaining infantile Budweiser commercials - even during Saturday morning cartoon time!

Oh, and some other benefits would be fewer kids in court for breaking the law ... and no alcohol pushers prosecuted for selling booze to minors. And the funeral home directors would have such an increase in business among the younger set that they'd have to add a children's wing to their establishments. Population overload problems - solved!

See, it's all good!

NOT!
-- Posted by Jest Askin on Fri, Nov 28, 2008, 10:16 am EST

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