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Gubernatorial pie thrower gets five days on work crew



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By David Delcore Times Argus Staff - Published: November 27, 2008

BARRE – The pseudo-Santa who slopped Gov. James Douglas in the face with a faux pie during this year's Independence Day parade in Montpelier copped a plea in Barre on Wednesday.

Judge Brian Grearson sentenced Matthew Manning, 23, to spend five days on a supervised work crew as part of his sentence after considerable debate about the impact of his actions.

Manning, now of East Montpelier, pleaded guilty to a charge of disorderly conduct in connection with a bizarre incident that unfolded on July 3 as Douglas was marching up State Street in Montpelier's annual parade.

Dressed as Santa Claus, Manning, then 22, ran up to Douglas and launched a pie into the governor's face before running away. Manning was quickly corralled by a parade watcher and then tackled by Barre Mayor Thomas Lauzon, who had been marching with Douglas at the time.

On Wednesday, an apologetic Manning – dressed in a suit, with his hair drawn back in a short pony tail – told Grearson he should have found a better way to express his frustration with Douglas' energy policy.

"I don't see anything good that has come from it," he said, describing himself as "… a disappointment to my community" and offering his apologies to Douglas, his own family – several of whom were in the courtroom – and the community at large.

"I've learned that it wasn't funny," he said, describing the prank as "a mistake."

Grearson, who described the incident as both "serious" and "reckless," agreed. He suggested Manning's actions had "a ripple effect" in Vermont – a small state where the highest elected official is extremely accessible and has historically felt comfortable participating in parades with minimal security.

"As a result of your actions maybe that security is a little tighter … and we are a little less open," he said.

After accepting Manning's guilty plea, Grearson was urged by Washington County States Attorney Tom Kelly to consider a stiffer-than-usual-sentence for a first-time offender accused, in his words, of "tumultuous behavior."

Kelly cited the unique nature of the victim, the fact that the governor's security has in fact been modified in the wake of the incident and the "assault-like nature" of the confrontation.

"If you had a scale of one to 10 on disorderly conduct, your honor, it's a 10, and I think the court should impose a sentence that reflects that," he said, urging Grearson to consider a 60-day suspended sentence with 45 days to serve on a work crew, in addition to reparative probation and an agreement to donate $21.35 – the amount of Douglas' dry cleaning bill – to the Vermont FoodBank.

Kelly argued the fact that Manning actively sought out Douglas should be a consideration.

"It wasn't the tuba player in the band. It was the governor of our state," he said. "Mr. Manning picked his target and he should have to pay the penalty for it."

Manning's lawyer, Ginny McGrath, said her out-of-work client would agree to all but the work crew duty, accusing Kelly of blowing an admittedly "regrettable incident" out of proportion.

"He (Kelly) seems to want to make more of this than it actually is," she said, describing Manning as "an ideal candidate" for reparative probation – a process that would likely require him to apologize to Douglas, as well as to the community.

Grearson ultimately split the difference.

Although the judge acknowledged he typically wouldn't consider a work crew sentence for someone with Manning's spotless criminal background, he said the "unique nature" of the victim had to be considered.

"I think there has to be some other punishment," he said.

In addition to ordering Manning to make a donation to the FoodBank on the governor's behalf and requiring him to complete reparative probation, Grearson sentenced him to five days on a supervised work crew.








READER COMMENTS


Ms. Mulvaney:

I have to ask. Would you still consider this a "a little humourous act of harmless silliness" if Anthony Pollina had been the target? How about if someone dressed in a cow suit had gone up to Anthony at a campaign event, and hit him in the face with a piepan full of cow manure as a protest against his failure to pay the farmers of the Vermont Milk Company?

Would that still be just a little humourous act of harmless silliness?
-- Posted by Independent Vermonter on Tue, Dec 2, 2008, 9:36 pm EST

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Well Joelen, It appears that people like you have been in control in Vermont for a long time advocating every conceivable program imaginable. Your husband on the other hand has probably stopped the creation of thousands of jobs in his position as head of the Environmental Commission responsible for Act 250 permits in Vermont. Transplants like you have been responsible for the almost bankrupt state of the state by creating a welfare state instead of creating a government that supports business growth and jobs so people have the resources to look after themselves.

If Jim Douglas is practicing "economic terrorism" it is because the state of Vermont is the largest employer in Vermont and it needs to be trimmed to a sustainable level. It was Richard Sears (Democratic Senator) who created the reorganization of corrections because the programs and services at the Dale Facility for women was costing $70,000.00 per inmate per year to rehabilitate.

The problem in government service is the lack of accountability. Agencies are taught to spend more in fear of having their budgets cut for the next year. People are encouraged to sign onto welfare programs so budgets can be increased. And then there are people who think like you ,that there is no deadwood in the state workforce to be cut. Legislatures all over the country have become our mommies and daddies with program after program to the point of stealing money from funds collected for roads, bridges and retirement funds while the infrastructure that is crumbling under us. And at the same time you have broken the back of the taxpayer who just can not afford anymore of the same old whining from people like you.

I am not a trust funder and I live on a very modest income. After years of watching this state go down the tubes, young people moving out and the constant drumbeat by people who wear their feelings on their cars while looking for something free from the government, I have just as much of a right to disagree with you as you do to tell me that I'm full of it (which was a little mean spirited, don't you think). The Governor is doing a good job, it is the legislature that needs to be changed.
-- Posted by BS Avenger on Tue, Dec 2, 2008, 2:56 pm EST

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Hey, I'm just offering criticism, opinions and ideas, not making and enforcing policies that effect all citizens in the state, like governors and other politicians do.

I am proud of and support all the state workers who provide services to Vermonters. Public service employees often make less income than if they worked in the private sector and many, like the state police and social workers, sacrifice weekends, family time and holidays to "make Vermont work". Douglas has been a champion of privatizing state jobs and services, which is always more expensive and under less oversight with less accountability. He also uses economic terrorism to gut agencies that aid the neediest Vermonters.

Maybe some of you bloggers have never been in a position to need help; perhaps you have inherited wealth, or the privelege of class.

For you folks who are concerned about sex offenders and DUI offenders and want more oversight or longer sentences and, at the same time, support reduction of the state workforce (a plan dear to our governor)....who will be doing the extra work to make this happen?

PS - I agree with Mr.or Ms.? (full of) BS about Dean, though, see? We can have some common ground.
-- Posted by Joelen Mulvaney on Mon, Dec 1, 2008, 9:53 pm EST

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Joelen, Perhaps your thoughts on socialism from another thread are interfering with your appreciation of the Governor. Without this governor, Vermont would be even more of a socialist republic then it has become. Perhaps your thoughts and policies should be greeted with a pie in the face from those of us who do not agree with you. Is that the type of political discourse you would like to see more of? It is interesting that you derive a substantial part of your household income from your husband's employment from the Sate of Vermont and you harbor such ill feelings for our chief executive. I'm sure that Howard Dean (the laughing stock of presidential candidates) never handed out any favors to get where he is while he was in office? You lefties are so hypocritical, you are the tolerant ones. Sour grapes and bad taste go hand in hand. Canada could always use another liberal!
-- Posted by BS Avenger on Mon, Dec 1, 2008, 6:34 pm EST

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Nothing like a little humourous act of harmless silliness to bring out the ire in those who think governor Douglas is a stand up guy and his policies and vetoes in the best interest of Vermonters. No matter his personal income increased since becoming governor thanks to policies he put forth (like no tax on investment income), no matter his privatizing of public services, no matter his bonus gifts of thousands of dollars to his appointed elite while cutting jobs of Vermonters who serve the public, not his own interests. There is a long list of offenses the governor is guilty of that have done more harm to the children and citizens of Vermont than an aluminum pie plate with whipped cream.
-- Posted by Joelen Mulvaney on Mon, Dec 1, 2008, 5:46 pm EST

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I agree, the real victims are the children who saw Santa act inappropriately.
-- Posted by vt mom of two on Mon, Dec 1, 2008, 11:36 am EST

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Manning is a dirt bag, he deserved at least 30 days behind bars.
-- Posted by Hunter- Farmer on Mon, Dec 1, 2008, 10:40 am EST

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Gee, has everyone missed the point? LOL Why is this gutless wonder trying to blame Santa Claus? He has no spine and cant even dress as himself in his hippy get-up they call clothes or dog blankets wrapped around.
But what really gets me is how he tries to drag Santa into it by masquerading as Santa,

YES MR MANNING..........there is a Santa Claus, please dont ruin his good image
-- Posted by GeeImagine That on Sun, Nov 30, 2008, 1:06 pm EST

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Silly Liberals..left wing loony politics..as usual, when they cant intimidate or create some other excuse, such as being a victim,,,they always somehow resort to violence, The attention getter,,good grief..Work crw isnt enough for thie bold disrespectful character
-- Posted by GeeImagine That on Sun, Nov 30, 2008, 12:32 pm EST

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It seems like the reaction to Mr. Manning's punishment is largely a function of the political persuasion of the commenter. Over at Green Mountain Daily, the progressive wing of the Democratic Party is pretty much unanimous in its condemnation of the response to this incident as too harsh: http://greenmountaindaily.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=BD7503AA23F3ADD7C108C7328DC18439?diaryId=3679

I think if you step back and forget the politics of who the target was, most people can agree this was not only a foolish and ill-conceived act, but it was crime against all Vermonters.

A statewide elected official, especially the highest-ranking one, does in fact deserve a greater degree of respect and protection than an average citizen due to their position.

They should not have to tolerate being assaulted -- and that's what this is -- regardless of whether you wear a Santa suit or a cartoon costume, whether it's with a pie or a cow flap or a water balloon.

Those acts don't fall under the category of acceptable political protest, regardless of the issue. Stand there with a sign. Shout through a megaphone. Do it naked. Whatever.

But to run at an elected official and throw something at them ventures at a minimum into the realm of civil disobedience, and the point of that is you're committing a crime and expect to be arrested and prosecuted to make your statement.

And at worst, it's assault. Plain and simple. If someone came up to you on the street and threw something at you it'd be assault, too.

The fact that it threatened a public official and could therefore lead to heightened security and less access that would affect all Vermonters makes it an offense against all Vermonters.

Whether it was Jim Douglas, or Gaye Symington, or Bill Sorrell, or Jeb Spaulding, I would feel the same way.

Tom Kelly's argument falls under the realm of general deterrence: The notion that the state wants to send a message to anyone else considering this. It might be a little tough, but it's certainly not excessive. He's still not asking to put Manning in prison.

Forget the politics and just look at this as an incident that does damage to our society.
-- Posted by Independent Vermonter on Sat, Nov 29, 2008, 9:04 pm EST

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Here's a quote for VT Resident and Nothing Nothing:

These are not the traits of the wise. They are the traits of children. Not only are liberals not entitled to govern; they don't deserve to govern. They need to grow up, develop a more holistic view of the person, develop a more realistic view of human nature, and cultivate a sense of patience. They need to stop patting themselves on the back for being benevolent, compassionate, caring, and sympathetic. Benevolence is neither necessary nor sufficient for acting rightly. Caring, far from being a synonym for justice, is often an impediment to it. It's not for nothing that we say that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Liberals prove it every day. Author unknown.

The true quote from Jefferson is as follows:

"What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must
be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is
its natural manure." --Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787. ME
6:373, Papers 12:356
-- Posted by BS Avenger on Sat, Nov 29, 2008, 12:40 pm EST

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BSA: I see you are resorting to name calling and personal attacks when you are on the losing side of an argument. This behavior is the very definition of hypocritical.
-- Posted by None None on Fri, Nov 28, 2008, 8:12 pm EST

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Obviously I have rippled the brilliant waters of another elite liberal who just can't understand civil obedience, personal hygiene and ignorance. You are probably of the same stripe and can not understand the difference between a dirty person who has worked all day from a dirty street rat who spends his day doing nothing that is beneficial to anyone. Did I forget to dot an i or forget a comma, excuse me your honor? There is nothing wrong with my thinking, it just doesn't match your hypocritical tolerance level. If you don't think that people in political office or government officials have a different level of protection then we do how would you explain the governor's state police personal bodyguard or the secret service. In some areas the murder of a police officer is punishable by death but the murder of a regular citizen requires life in prison.

So under your brilliant plan, every time a citizen is unhappy with a politician it's OK to attack that person in public or at home. The governor is not just one of us. And Mr. brilliant if you don't think people are judged by appearance, go apply for a a job perhaps working in public or at a restaurant or in any number of places after letting yourself get to the filthy state. Maybe you don't believe in work or maybe you don't have to work or maybe you can work and be dirty too. I really don't care. What I do care about is the fact that people like you have been brought up to think that you can do what ever you want and there are no rules. That's where the ignorance of Mr. Manning comes in. He thought the same thing. Now, he's still dirty and he has a police record too.
-- Posted by BS Avenger on Fri, Nov 28, 2008, 7:27 pm EST

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5 days on work crew is hardly a stiff sentence. I think some of you people think he's going to Alcatraz or something. He's NOT going to jail. He's NOT going to work "camp." He is sentenced to a COMMUNITY work crew. He still gets to sleep in his own bed at night. All he has to do is work a 7 hour day. The work is POSITIVE and PRODUCTIVE. It's not a punishment crew. Some offenders on work crew gain skills and some have been hired full time by agencies using the work crews. IT IS NOTHING LIKE TELEVISION.

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-- Posted by Olde Man on Fri, Nov 28, 2008, 5:31 pm EST

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Whip cream in a pie plate on an elected official was a political statement not an assault on the Gov. Why doesn't everyone overreact. Never should have gotten this far.
-- Posted by montpelier28 on Fri, Nov 28, 2008, 4:06 pm EST

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Disappointing it is that the focus remains on Manning's clothing and general cleanliness, despite their irrelevance under the law.

By analogy, should I judge the merit of BS Avenger's argument by its poor grammar and punctuation? Certainly not; I judge only the weakness of its thinking-- the prejudiced, ambiguous statement that "being dirty...might have something to say about the person..." What a poor triumph of matter over mind.

Where protection for politicians is concerned, Irving Buffman at least grasps the idea when he observes that the sentence for "pie-ing" a President would be much harsher. But I see I must ask again, why should this be? Why should politicians have more protection *under the law* (not personal protection) than you or I? And for that matter, why should the law afford some politicians more protection than others?

By promoting a special legal status for the governor, Attorney Kelly and Judge Grearson have abused the august power of the law, meting out extra punishment to correct nothing more than a ruffled ego and an arrogant sense of privilege in a man who is, after all, only one of us.

This was a dirty suit indeed, one suggesting where the next pies should fly. As Jefferson would write, the tree of Liberty must be refrehsed with a little whipped cream from time to time.
-- Posted by Vermont Resident on Fri, Nov 28, 2008, 12:00 pm EST

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It is not about grunge and filth or passionate about political issues... People should be productive members of society. Maybe Mr. Manning should get a job...or is he in the family business? Ohhhh right that business is not productive to society either.
-- Posted by Mark Redding on Fri, Nov 28, 2008, 9:09 am EST

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I don't care if he was the "leader" of the Peace Movement, wrote best sellers on the enviroment or whatever his cause is. If the average joe, with no ties to any organization had done this, he would have got 5 years not 5 days on workcrew. Just because he is a social minded young man shouldn't give him special treatment. I think because I volunteer for "clean up day" I'll throw trash around the state the rest of the year, come on......
-- Posted by Mel on Fri, Nov 28, 2008, 6:38 am EST

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This man is extremely passionate about our enviroment. I believe got cought up in his frustration of how, for example we are dealing with the nuclear power plant issues, or not dealing with them. Perhaps he wanted publicity on these issues and he got it! We need to listen to the people so that they feel heard, maybe then they will not go to such extreme measures to bring the needed attention.Mathew is a good man and has done a lot of good things for people and the enviroment. To those that speak of his filth and grime, why do you care if his body or clothes are clean or dirty, lets mind our own business, TO EACH HIS OWN...I have never seen him dirty...he is an extremely inteligent talented young man who got carried away with political issues that he felt were not being addressed and needed to be. He has learned from his mistake..
-- Posted by Dawn sunrise on Fri, Nov 28, 2008, 4:16 am EST

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Like I said before try this in Washington... I would love to see if you get 5 days for hitting Obama in the face with a pie...Try it... I dare you...

yawn, If we only had a teen center...
-- Posted by Irving Buffman on Fri, Nov 28, 2008, 3:34 am EST

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VT Resident, If this guy is all about grunge why didn't he go in front of the judge in his normal state, filthy. Being dirty is not illegal but it just might have something to say about the person who is in a state of filth. Maybe you can tolerate and enjoy the smell of body odor but most of society doesn't like it.
As far as your other comments about the same protections, you must be kidding or stupid. What this guy did was stupid and he is going to pay for it. But he did not change his filthy life style and he doesn't have to at least until the next time he goes in front of another judge for some other dumb act. Maybe the next time a person rushes toward a politician in a Vermont parade they will be shot by that persons security detail. If that happens we can thank Mr. Manning for raising the security level. Generally, most people don't like to get assaulted whether it's with a pie or a fist. Perhaps you don't understand this basic rule of civil obedience.
-- Posted by BS Avenger on Thu, Nov 27, 2008, 10:11 pm EST

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When I read the comments here, I'm grateful for the fact that we live under law, and not the predjudiced, vindictive slander of the masses.

Being grungy and dirty is not a crime, nor does it predispose to criminal activity. And punishments of shame and physical abuse, we've learned since Puritan days, do not have a positive effect.

But what's even more troubling than the voices of the rabble in this forum is the thinking, and the brazen call of Attorney Kelly in this case for special punishment because of the involvement of the governor. Even if an attorney holds this elitist, illiberal, and illegal bias, he usually has enough professional sense to stifle it. Yet here, in this case, is the States Attorney demanding that the governor should have more rights and more protection than you or me. In a state that prides itself on a true government of the people, we should reject any suggestion that government officials are an overclass more special than the pie-throwing, grimy and grungy public.

In acquiescing to Kelly's class-based argument, Judge Grearson did a disservice to our society in Vermont equally as damaging as Manning's actions. If we want to rule our state, and live under the rule of politicians given special treatment under the law, they ought to fear a pie in the face once in a while; it is sometimes a just dessert.
-- Posted by Vermont Resident on Thu, Nov 27, 2008, 12:24 pm EST

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The work crew sentence isn't that bad. It's NOT COOL HAND LUKE. It's nothing like television. The Vermont DOC work crews do many good projects and the work is POSITIVE & PRODUCTIVE. They do not break rocks like on TV. They work at the food shelf, the salvation army, mowing lawns, raking leaves etc. All work is done for non-profits or government. Work crew isn't to punish, it's to get offenders involved in something productive. For some it's their first time "helping" others.

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-- Posted by Olde Man on Thu, Nov 27, 2008, 12:17 pm EST

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This guy is one of the grunge gang that hangs out on the streets of Montpelier. His usual outfit is made up of filthy clothes and he used to wear a teddy bear on his head for a hat. This young man (I use the term broadly) is what you see roaming the streets of the capital city. He and his gang are disrespectful of everything and everyone but that's OK in Montpeculier because of the splendid diversity encouraged there. He hasn't been around as much since this incident. The guy you see in the picture here is quite a departure from the guy he is on the street. It makes me sick to see these types all dressed up for the judge. I saw him a few days ago with part of his gang at a local restaurant and of course they all were filthy again. Obviously, nothing was learned from his brush with the law. We will see him again. You can't fix stupid.
-- Posted by BS Avenger on Thu, Nov 27, 2008, 11:37 am EST

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I recommend a faux pie gauntlet, or public stockade for 24 hours. Maybe we could pants- him. You know an eye for an eye.... Something a little creatively embarrassing...
-- Posted by Bob Cook on Thu, Nov 27, 2008, 9:47 am EST

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yes this man mad a mistake but come on. we have people w/ multiple dui's, drug charges, domestic & sexual assaults that don't get placed on a work crew. why isn't he getting community service like them. let him attend aa and na meetings like they do for punishment..
-- Posted by barre mom None on Thu, Nov 27, 2008, 9:42 am EST

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