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By Louis Porter Vermont Press Bureau - Published: September 20, 2009

MONTPELIER — Measuring the effects of the recession on Vermonters is not always straightforward. It can be personal and emotional, as well as financial. But there are numbers that give at least some idea of its scope.

Some of the best come from Vermont 2-1-1, a program of the United Ways of Vermont that connects those seeking help with services of all kinds.

The program, in its fifth year, has been growing since its inception. But the jump in calls through the service starting in late-summer 2008 and into that fall is hard to ignore, particularly for those needing services.

Likewise, the program has, in recent months, bought only a small amount of advertising, meaning increases in use this year are likely due to need, not just word of the program spreading, said MaryEllen Mendl, the program's head.

"The numbers are reflective of what is going on not only in Vermont but in the country," Mendl said.

For instance, 69 people called for assistance with food programs in July 2008. That number was 91 in July of this year.

The numbers are not without fluctuation — the calls for food help dipped in August to 51, lower than they have been in any month since June 2008 — but Mendl said she does not expect that to be the start of a trend.

"I sense that is going to grow," she said. "There is definitely food insecurity in the state."

Food calls are not the only measurement in the 2-1-1 system that had grown substantially. And it is not only 2-1-1 that is seeing increased demand during the recession.

State agencies that help those in need have, as well.

"Those numbers went up dramatically last year and they have remained at that higher level," said Steve Dale, head of the Department of Children and Families. "We have seen a continued high demand for services."

Between March 2008 and the same month this year, DCF's 3SquaresVt program — the old food stamp program — has increased from 55,752 individuals to 73,035. ReachUp, the former welfare program, has grown from 12,295 to 13,752. General Assistance, bearing much of the brunt of housing crisis, grew from 1,459 households to 2,107.

Not all of those dramatic increases — a 44 percent jump in the case of General Assistance — are attributable just to economic conditions. The rules around some of those programs, both federal and state, have changed over the last year to help citizens through the recession.

An overall increase in statistics of the needy doesn't mean the numbers don't only show bad news. A year ago, high heating oil prices threatened to make it an extremely difficult winter for many poor families statewide — a factor that also increased demand on his department, Dale said.

"The flurry of requests, the big increase in demand last fall was driven in part by fuel prices that were spiking at that time," he said. "There was a major sense of panic."

Because of changes in need and eligibility, the seasonal fuel benefit program grew from 21,700 households in the winter 2007 and 2008 to 26,300 last winter.

That pressure likely will be significantly eased this year.

Still, the general problem is real, Dale said.

"It is related totally to unemployment," he said.

The so-called "green shoots," like the partial stock market recovery, have yet to reach those Vermonters, even if they are a real sign of economic recovery.

"For someone who has lost a job, none of those signs mean anything," Dale said.

Of course, there are many more Vermonters without work.

The unemployment rate has risen from 4.7 percent in August 2008 to 6.8 percent last month. That means about 16,600 Vermonters were counted as unemployed in 2008, and 24,300 now.

The kind of indicators his department looks at — food stamp needs, emergency money for families in need — likely will lag at least three to six months behind the improvement in the economy at large, Dale said.

Gov. James Douglas agreed that even after the economy turns a corner, Vermonters need more help.

"I am concerned that it is going to continue being a problem, and may get worse before it gets better," he said. For one thing, many residents resist using a program such as food stamps until all other options are exhausted, and therefore the peak demand for such programs may come after the recession ends, he warned.

"The actual peak in requests for public programs is likely to be later," Douglas said.

louis.porter@timesargus.com








READER COMMENTS


Ayk: Thank you for the Thatcherism.

"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money"

Worth repeating. Sorta like government bailouts.
-- Posted by coydog on Tue, Sep 22, 2009, 1:04 am EST

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Maybe tis will invoke some, get off your a$$ and put your hands back in your pockets:
....JFK..."And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country.

My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.

Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you. With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God's work must truly be our own....."

Anyone wonder why we dont here the Obammy & JFK comparison anymore??? Maybe JFK wasnt thinking of fundamentally changin America ionto a SOCIASLIST nation
-- Posted by Are you Kidding? on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, 7:08 pm EST

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"I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine"
-Ayn Rand-

ML
-- Posted by Jeff Perkins on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, 5:55 pm EST

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True.

About time tuff times fall onto welfare bums. They might get creative or inspired to find a job or create a small business for a change and start paying taxes....
If the screaming libs want these programs, they can start paying more in themselves if they want. othing stopping them from offering tax dept extra money OUT OF THEIR own pockets.

Calling all Libs---Donate to save Vermont

Remember Margaret Thatcher said, and boy she knows------

"The problem with Socialism, is you eventually run out of other people's money"
-- Posted by Are you Kidding? on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, 4:27 pm EST

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GOOD! It's about time the state's services are feeling the pinch. They've had their way for years with program after program. Can anyone tell us ONE program, run by this state, that has solved ANYTHING?!!!
-- Posted by David Bingham on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, 3:11 pm EST

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AYK! Thanks for your support! What is wrong with these nimcom-**** libs? Everything is gimme,gimme,gimme! I just came back from Swanton and I saw two young ones aka circa early 20's scrounging along the side of the road picking up aluminum soda and beer cans. What a way to live? I gather Berry Moss is of that ilk? What a future? Can't get any more bleak than that!
-- Posted by None None on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, 12:49 pm EST

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Nah, As Barack Obama would say ' He's a jackass' ....lol
and is 'acting stupidly"

NN-
They really cant help themselves, most those old libs dont have their parents around anymore to give them daily instructions, and all they know is how to hold their hand out. Shiftless lazy progressive libs, treat them like kids, thats all they know how to respond to.
-- Posted by Are you Kidding? on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, 12:14 pm EST

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Barry Moss: Your rants ar like similar to a flatulent discharge and have a definite odor to them. You have to be a drama coach???
-- Posted by None None on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, 11:18 am EST

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Another nonsensical rant from NN with nothing constructive to say. Just what we've come to expect.
-- Posted by Barry Moss on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, 10:50 am EST

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As an Individual I feel responsible to do what I can to help those in need.

Have you ever heard anyone who runs a food for the needy program say there are fewer hungry people? Or any bureaucrat in a social welfare position say there is less need for the services their organisation provides? Or any government program, once funded, cease to exist because the problem it was created to solve was solved?
I suppose if their was nothing left to do they could register new voters; or the same ones over and over.
-- Posted by coydog on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, 10:30 am EST

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Hmmmmmm! Barry Moss WOW what Drama! I am going to ask you a question: What diference does it make to you if I am a conservative? At least my value systme is diferent than yours. Thank goodnes. I earnmy way! I wouldn't work for Vt. politicans if they paid me and I don't use credit cards and I do not barter with Libs. My slogan is not: "Gimme My Fair Share". My raison detre' for penning on this blog is to get you Libs to undestand their is no free lunch. You know in all the years I hae live in Vermont you Libs never change only your brashness, hutzvah, and lack of literary skils and decency, change! DRAMA!!!!!!!
-- Posted by None None on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, 7:21 am EST

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AYK and None None might want to think about moving to Alabama or somewhere equally as backward and "conservative." It sounds like these two would fit in quite well with the hypocritical,hate filled, Bible banging, bigots that live there. I don't really understand why hillbillies like these two live in Vermont but the really big question is, do these two take part in town and state government? Are these two running for office or do they prefer to sit back and complain? Do they go to town meeting or selectboard meetings and try to change things, or do they just allow the people they dispise to run things while they sit back and whine?
-- Posted by Barry Moss on Mon, Sep 21, 2009, 6:28 am EST

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Olde Man : Libs have been here since the middle of the 1970's .They immigrated here from California. Having Libs live here is not a contemporary thing! Sorry! Their motto for years has been:"Gimme my fair share".
-- Posted by None None on Sun, Sep 20, 2009, 7:37 pm EST

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AYK Here ia an antidotal perspective foryou! You will have to decide whether it is humorous or not? Back in the 1970's one of our major notorious News Anchors bought property up in the Horn in The Moon outside of Putnamville and sent his daughter up here to start a commune. Guess who lived on the land: "LIBERALS" .Next, up; withn a few miles of Goddard college is a Gore. The signs out in Laguna Beach Clifornia read as you enter the town :If you are being bothered here by the Police go to Vermont they won't bother you. Guess what? They settled on these gores up next to Goddard college. In both cases the locals ignored them and yup the Libs love it. Now they are in politics and run the State out of the legislature. They behave like Socialist and thier theme song is entitled: "Gimme my Fair Share". Oh well such is life in Vermont. I bet none of the Olde timers
would have put up with this orgainc detritus.
-- Posted by None None on Sun, Sep 20, 2009, 11:39 am EST

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None None - restate your point. I'm missing it.
-- Posted by Olde Man on Sun, Sep 20, 2009, 11:29 am EST

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I'm glad Gov. Douglas is so concerned, but who does he think is going to help all those needy people after he lays off another 300 state workers tomorrow?! Maybe he'll call Lehman Brothers or Blackwater to see if they can contract it out.
-- Posted by Ski Frog on Sun, Sep 20, 2009, 11:23 am EST

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No need to worry, the libs had their UC Berkley scholar testify under oath that passing gay marriage bring Vermont into an economic boom. 8000 couples would swoop into Vt in Sept and save the day and bring money and jobs ( how were they gonna do that , there arent any here for the rest of us)
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The reason I keep bringing this up, is because the progressive libs LIE to get what they want. Yes Vermonters with morals and lived principled lives were DUPED.
We the people knew better,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

but the lib legislators gullible enough to believe that ghey money was going to fix it all

Yes, they compromised our integrity and Vermont is worse off now, economically, than it was in April
Lesson learned......the socialism agenda is knocking at the door. The libs are not for moral principle and value based people, they are simply, greedy, jealous power hungry cabals.
Dont let them fool you anymore with their white guilt and elitist behaviors.
-- Posted by Are you Kidding? on Sun, Sep 20, 2009, 8:57 am EST

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Needy Sevices? Depends on "YOUR" point of view what you interpret as needy? Unforunately, the role churches use to play in the community no longer serve that purpose. Charities for the most part are srapped financially. Lastly,people in many comunities aka North Hero rural communtiy ,as an example, are struggling to mantain body and soul, while the politicans strut around like a bunch of peacocks blovating about their Social contribution. Lastly, with the real property taxes for schools are stretching the Island resident pocket books to the limit the local residents want to continue local control. Nice if you can afford it? How do you deal with elderly people who are on Social Security ,medicaid and have severly limited financial resources? As they were going through their years into their older years they had choices to make and did not make good ones,financailly. Now ,ride up through the Islands on State route 2 and observe the squalor ! The scnery is remiiscent of a rie through the back hills of th emontains in West Virginia, SQUALOR! There are single wide trailers beng used as homes to live in and farms not operational anymore. The skinny has it, that the State has labled Island properties as GOLD TOWNS! Okay! Yes: Fools gold. You want more monies for State Services to help the indigent population with state services and you consider Island properties as Gold properties? This is insane!
-- Posted by None None on Sun, Sep 20, 2009, 6:58 am EST

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